Roland

Maybe, but Dakin and Sheader must take all tye beating... Youngster?! I presume he means Raced youngsters... But surely the proof of good youngsters are what one needs them to asquire too as 2 year olds upwards. So the best youngsters have 2 more years or so to be prove their worth. And also one must take into the equations that MANY top flyers don't race y/b's, and also some get shot of the winners swearing they never make it as old birds... though there are many exceptions to this rule... or is there?

Not as yet, but they are looking absolutely brilliant in the constant fresh air and the New Avery I have just finished building. So am more than hopeful.

My signature and comments. This is how I view the matter. And yes Karen should be re instated forwith and without any loss of Face / Money or demeanor. Well feel that though perhaps not the way to bring this to the 'Members' notice, it is relevant, and as such Karen also has a Moral' duty to the members whose well being and welfare the RPRA are supposedly taking care of! In reality Karen should be applauded and given promotion and a pay rise. However in view of 'Best left unsaid' I feel that al that has been done is suffiecent on both side and time to put this matter to rest! Sooner fixed, sooner mended and in this case NOT forgotton. I know of course that we don't know of any future plans regarding this matter, but fairs fair... let it slide!

Well I will sign, not because I believe hat Karen shouldn't be suspended or reprimanded. Indeed one shouldn't wash dirty linen in Public, and it must somewhere be a breach oh her work contract... Having said that I' am prone to do exactly the same sort of / as Karen, and say 'Hang the cost'! so I'd hypocritical not to sign. But I would know there is a price to pay, and that 'Hang the cost' may wel be a dear one to pay! But that doesn't make her right, nor us. Possible with our moral support something may well change for Karen's benefit, let's hope so... But the RPRA may well argue about 'Morals' though to their advantage. So yes I'll sign..

Must be careful as it can quickly turn rancid.

Keep them Frank... sell the eggs! lol... may well be me and Allbear might be able to afford them lol. Yes of course in todays market they are of very good value.

Well Mate you are of course 100% right ... though them 'Culls' may well have the blood to breed a loft of winners. Loius Massereralla once said ' Buying from us doesn't guanrantee winners... but shortens the odds soewhat'! Then the to parts of the equation you also fail to mentionis A. Stockmenship and B. The fancier managering them! Further I'll throw in another, any birds can only be improved so much! Good or bad... so then, it follows that a better bird will always be a better bird in same hands. Then of course it is a fact, that you need 'Good' birds form any sauce, and the 'Nearer the tree the sweeter the apple'. Must have some bearing I feel. Yes every one has culls every year, but regards money, and what Chris Family is, then of course Franks are a bargain. Good to keep our feet on the ground though is also very true.

And if one modern phone... well they work out the cost... anything above 15pence is too dear, so they think (Pretend really) argue with themselves and agree that it is too dear to make a reply! ;D ;D

Just reverse the role. Hens will overall be better, and certainly as the distance and hard races prevail. Mind can race alternative weeks the sexes, and then mate two hens to one cock bird between them... just watch the hens go! Yes ftrom time to time leave both hens with the cock bird... Then 5 minutes before basketing up.

Must be his wallet, he only has a kilt.... simpler he says and only .... ;D ;D

Motherland, never knew he was a German. ;D ;D

Well it won't be so bad went the club members send me to Coventry... Just look up the Mr and Mrs team eh! ;D

Helicopters... Think this Lisa is a job for Vic ;D ;D

Yep, agree there mucker, and what beautiful feathering it gives them. As I posted on another topic, wha happens to the water with bleach in after say 3/4 days? Teams with wild life! The most noticeable are the worm like creatures that double up and shoot ourwards to move... Don't know what they are called though, in fact have never asked or been told.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/081020/oddities/iran_spy_offbeat

Dandy bowl yep they do lol ;D ;D

Exactly, like you said on other site. I advocate strongly, as I've posted, and most well know also, that as far as I'm concerned that ANY and every question of relevance of fair motive is indeed not only sensible but a right ... to those interested in buying. Feel that, and I'm not knocking Cementry at all, but his reply Quote 'Roland, your thoughts are your thoughts, every one has there own, the bird is a lovely bird, but not what i am looking for'. is what I am saying. To put bluntly so Chris can understand... 'Why ask if not interested'!! the very questions one asks, are normally stated to thoses that are intereseted... Then I believe every power to the elbow can and should be if wanted to be used.

Mind Boggling here. Some questions bear a mite of merit, and of course if one is parting with hard earnt cash then some need to be asked. Some of course are rediculous and bear no foundation, and from some I sespect have no intent, or interest in buying. Remember a post on here when Frank was searching to buy these, and the great accholades - quite rightly laid at Chris Gordon, and Foxy's door. Most will know that one has a job getting these birds. As for testing, well they are, and have been tested for yonks. Proof of the pudding in the eating they say.... Well one could start a bakery with these birds and sel out. Just suprises me how short lived many memories are. Frank you will get £400 easily for them as most that know anything know their true value, and that - especially in todays time, with the credit crunch etc - are still a bargain and well worth the asking price.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_enGB296&q=deweerdts+pigeons A few Pigeonbasic too.

You know, what I think the irony really is here: 'I bet Cemetary isn't interested one way or the other, and I'd say not interested in buying'! Just my thoughts.

Must find them Harvey Liar jokes again. Was on the Spinky's site, but that sems to have lost out there some how.

God love the Scots... Bono, lead singer of the rock band U2, is famous throughout the entertainment industry for being more than just a little self-righteous. At a recent U2 concert in Glasgow Scotland , he asked the audience for total quiet. Then, in the silence, he started to slowly clap his hands, once every few seconds. Holding the audience in total silence, he said into the microphone, 'Every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.' A voice with a broad Scottish accent from the front of the crowd pierced the quiet.... 'Well, foockin stop doin it then, ya evil *expletive removed*!'

Was always told it was because when the youngsters hatched, they would have the extra light to feed later / or in night!

Some comment of others, and some of mine. These are, to me, quite sensible, and I feel as a rule of a thumb good references. Karl of Alberta Classic to start with has to be of a very good base element.... If someone wanted to buy some of my best breeders, he would be out of luck, not because I am especially stingy but because real good breeders are very rare although there are millions of pedigrees with super performance pigeons in the ancestry. Then he states another nigh everyday gem... The good thing is that we know so little about pigeons, Jason. Think of what happened to "Sissy". Mike Ganus didn't want her, Ad Schaelaekens didn't want her, the Asian fancier didn't want her and gladly sent her back to Ad after he became convinced of her quality as a #1 breeder by a couple of her offspring. Another gem with a bit of relevance I believe is ... I would prefer to get these same birds as youngsters. Then I would be sure that the previous owner has not tried them at breeding and is selling them because they failed. Of course, it is also possible that these birds come from very large lofts and never did get a chance to show what they can do in the breeding compartment. I hope that the latter is the case. Me says, like the great Billy Taylor often quoted. The y/b's t that he says are culls, not up to it, buy quickly and obviously cheaply! These are the ones just behind each week! These have proved they have a good 'Homing Instinct' They have (Supposedly) been bred off birds that have done well, or from stock that he believed would stand him in good stead... otherwise he wouldn't have bought them! Further he must have felt at some time they would improve his loft, or his performances. So they have the 'Blood'! And if the answer is 'Sorry, if they aren't good enough for me, then they aren't good enough for anyone else' FORGET HIM! Just when and where did the faith go, the faith that first made him buy them in the first place? Often it is – I certainly believe – that it is the Grandchildren that are often the 'Kiddies' any way'. But don't get confused with the 'Seller' retrieving his outlay and passing on proven duds! Further, what of the nest mates, other birds of the same ilk that did perform well as y/b's. You know, regardless what most would have you believe, many good flyer has done well with a youngster that turned up and took to their loft! Their' parents WOULD have been Bought OR Brought in for that very purpose! Often think 'anyone that has a good looking stray that the owner wants shot of, If it's a Red or a Grizzle give me a shout! 6 pairs of a colours the neighbours will love. A real out cross, and 12 youngster to race through. I'd wager that at seasons end, They would do every bit as good as 95% of all pigeons do in the relevant season. It would be Red Grizzles, top of the list, then Grizzles and Reds. Now I'd like to say, that any improvement / motivation etc. that can be achieve is the same for a good bird as for a bad bird. So obviously the better the bird... AND above all the Managers ability is a must!

Ideally three strains that are kept seperate, then used to add new blood... Every loft needs new introductons pretty regularly.