1st 3rd 6th 17th 28th region E at the SNFC Gold Cup over the past seven years its no as good a record as Jim Hannahs but i am happy way it but trying to keep it going is the hard part as you know. There is nowt fancy way my methods after the last preparation race I gee them aboot a week to do what they want then its work way the flag for about an hour each night then about 5 x 50minute tosses up to the sat before basketing and I try and get them sitting aboot 12 days as I think it is the safest condition that's aboot it Derek. Oh by the way I would like to gee them longer tosses but as you know the peregrine problem is usually at its height at that time of year so its dodgy as futt for us in this area to go further.