I think you could be right there Derek, I had a pigeon reported in Penrith from Sedgefield in a west wind someone handed it into a vet who looked after it and built it up for a week then he liberated it the doos up the road with no probs. The point I am trying to make is whats it doing in PENRITH from SEDGEFIELD in a west wind????? I think the pigeons are coming over the pennines and are not dog legging as some would think.