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i think that birds need less protein now as we have the new fat/energy mixs, a mix like vl superstar is fine to use with around 10 % energy mix added rather than maples etc the birds digest this protein a lot quicker plus they will need the extra fat if raced over 250 miles regularly as once the carbs are burnt they will need the fat to fly on or they start wearing down there on body muscle , peas/beans do not carry the fat that sunflower etc does,,,, a top flier i know (national winner) told me just use gerry mix and over 200 add 10-20% energy mix, no break or re building needed on this mix plus you have the fat in the bird for when they need to call on the reserves, if you a sprinting to 200 you dont need the energy mix

so from the post above its more to the sugar and fat with maize that wins out over barley, dari etc but would energy mix sunflower,rape,hemp,peanuts etc added to a light mix at say 10-30% not have the same result as maize this way the birds would not get to fat early season,

i think the feeding method in the book may be alittle out of date

why do most widowhood mixtures contain such a high % of maize, and not dari,rice, barley many mixtures seem to have 50-60% of maize yet the carbohydrates in maize are not much more than the other grains mentioned , is it for the higher fat content that maize has? could a no maize high carb mix work with the addition of fats seeds as the distance increases, any advice of thoughts on the high use of maize would be good to read, could a light diet mix (barley,wheat,rice dari,with say 30-50% energy plus be used in the mix from wednesday onwards work the same as maize, then that way fat would only be added when required , some peas could be added on sunday and monday after a hard fly to increase the protein

none only have 5 that fly out no prisoners kept this year due to wanting to fly a different system and not add to my loft size

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versa laga superstar looks a nice mix

depends waht you buy , plenty of antibiotic free pellets now, mine are organic with omega 3 £6.75 a sack nver liked pellets for year been on them 2 years now and birds look well on them

i use them more in the first feed of the day so they break down quicker and digest easy for the baies in the nest

50% barley, 10% chicken pellets, 20% wheat.20% tics works out £6.75 and thr dropping are perfect 1oz per day after feeding they get a hanful of hormoform,rape seed,rice between 30 birds,

i like the brown nest felts never get any bent keels 10 for £2.50 at doncaster worth the money , added with straw and dried willow twigs

is sedochol not a amino acid complex

24 i always times the length of the back wall by 3 in a normal vented shed, if you go on dark carefull how you close it up

i used that combined with poultry spice but now i use gem matrix so i done use any other mineral powders unless im breeding as i dont use matrix then go back to normal grits

my birds droppings are like the dropping in the pictures , i use 25% each of barley,wheat,beans and layer pellets, they are better than when racing so much so i am thinking of flying on the mix in the season with maize added 30-40 percent from wednesday and a little rape/homoform/dari ,, works out about £7 a bag but its not for the price its just the general condition of the birds

orgainic layers pellets and bos pellets , tried gem 2 years back but i liked the bos pellets better, feathering was very good

i work next to a malters and have got friendly with the caretaker , a coule of years ago i asked him to sell me some malting barley and he told me that its a lower grage than animal feed which did suprise me although the barley i have seen there looks good stuff to me

walter do you refill the hopper when all the grain has gone such as barley or top it up more regular

thanks walter.

thanks walter, what about wed to friday during the season thanks

sorted

i will have asearch for that video thanks paul

any couriers able to pick up from east yorks next week and drop back to just outside london next week (no congestion)wednesday -friday delivery? if so pm me please

not at all John , its good to hear both points of view , i thank you for that

thanks for the feedback John