Maybe that is the problem andy, we only talk about a convoyer or controller if we have had a bad race. when have you heard any of your club or fed members say well done or give praise for the good races we get. we all expect a good race regardless of conditions but it does not always work out that way. For as long as we charge unrealistic birdage fees we will not be able to pay decent money to the convoyers. I think you are correct as most controllers do the job for nothing, but there is still no excuse to throw birds out into conditions where they have little chance of making it home. We in our fed here in Glasgow are very lucky to have a good controller who makes a lot of checks and obtains the best info he can before making decisions, to say we are lucky to have him would be an understatement. we had a joint convoy with another federation last weekend and they controlled the race which turned out to be a shocker in terms of returns as the weather on the line of flight was very poor, I for one called the controller for allsorts but would i do his job...............the answer would probably be NO. I know that sounds like I am being a hypocrit but i dont think i could handle the responsibility of the other members birds.