Can I say George luck has a lot to do with it ,yes I think I had mine in reasonable order but I sent 9 and if I was told I could only send 7 my first pigeon wouldn't have went so luck dealt me a good turn . Unless you count when I went to time my all pooler at 6.00 to find 2 more sitting on their eggs , I fell asleep in the sunshine hic hic . All best