Ancenis - Longest Race, Snfc

[dkj]

do you think its time we put the ancenis race back to 1 in 10 like the rest of the channel races for silver/gold awards, instead of the 1 in 5 as it just know,

and in the open result should be 1 in 10 also, and then the rest that time in. should be flying time only printed on the result,

because this race makes it unfair to the rest of the channel races, as they are 1 in 10

[kingbilly 1]

do you think its time we put the ancenis race back to 1 in 10 like the rest of the channel races for silver/gold awards, instead of the 1 in 5 as it just know,

and in the open result should be 1 in 10 also, and then the rest that time in. should be flying time only printed on the result,

because this race makes it unfair to the rest of the channel races, as they are 1 in 10

I could be wrong but I think it goes by bridge

[Guest IB]

I did raise this at an AGM from the viewpoint of Gold Cup competitors flying more than 600 miles. The reply I got was that the longest race was such a difficult one that the birds timed in it deserved a higher ratio of prizes - including being shown on the result.

[JohnQuinn]

do you think its time we put the ancenis race back to 1 in 10 like the rest of the channel races for silver/gold awards, instead of the 1 in 5 as it just know,

and in the open result should be 1 in 10 also, and then the rest that time in. should be flying time only printed on the result,

because this race makes it unfair to the rest of the channel races, as they are 1 in 10

 

Am inclined to the 1 in 5 Davie, 1 in 10 from Ypres is a far easier task for the birds than 1 in 5 from Ancensis not only due to distance but the much smaller convoy too. So giving tickets 1 in 5 from the longest race even for Silver/Gold awards is fair to my way of thinking. Jmo

[dkj]

Am inclined to the 1 in 5 Davie, 1 in 10 from Ypres is a far easier task for the birds than 1 in 5 from Ancensis not only due to distance but the much smaller convoy too. So giving tickets 1 in 5 from the longest race even for Silver/Gold awards is fair to my way of thinking. Jmo

john i think it gives awards to pigeons that are not good enough, years ago they were called homers,

the snfc for 100 years plus, was 1 in 15, and i think they were a better quality pigeon for it,

then it was 1 in 10, and know its 1 in 5 for the longest race. where do you stop

making easier drops the quality of the pigeon,

[bullcock]

Our 2nd pigeon from Roye had a very respectable velocity and didn't make the result due to the 1/10 rule so without the 1/5 rule in the longest race would make it even harder for a bird who has flown all that distance and not got any recognition, especially here were birdage is low in most distance races.

[JohnQuinn]

john i think it gives awards to pigeons that are not good enough, years ago they were called homers,

the snfc for 100 years plus, was 1 in 15, and i think they were a better quality pigeon for it,

then it was 1 in 10, and know its 1 in 5 for the longest race. where do you stop

making easier drops the quality of the pigeon,

 

Have to admit i wasn't a fan of the 1 in 10 over the 1 in 15 when it came in for the very reasons you highlight. 1 in 5 would include inferior pigeons i guess but it also gives a wee bit recognition to the bird and fancier alike. The longest race is very unique and extremely difficult so the reward of 1 in 5 sits ok with me. There will be years when its "easier" to get a doo than others and these are the years 1 in 5 is lenient but overall the difficulty of getting a timer from it is worth giving a certificate ti they doos. Think it highly unlikely a bird would compete 5 years running from it and more unlikely it would score every time sent so if one or even 2 of its performances for a Gold Award are made up frim the 1 in 5 rule i wouldn't grudge the doo its credit. Jmo Davie but wouldn't argue the point if it was done away with.

[DJWa]

go with the degree of difficulty

 

south sections 1 in 20

middle sections 1 in 15

north sections 1 in 10

 

 

and only section prize winners can go forward for the open result

 

 

I bet this would go down a bomb :drinking-coffee-200:

[JonesyBhoy]

Harder in to the West than it is to the North

 

....... (await meltdown) lololol

[dal2]

go with the degree of difficulty

 

south sections 1 in 20

middle sections 1 in 15

north sections 1 in 10

 

 

and only section prize winners can go forward for the open result

 

 

I bet this would go down a bomb :drinking-coffee-200:

 

 

Lol.....south just make it look easy. Some folk wouldnae get a ticket if they made it 1 in 1!

[dkj]

Have to admit i wasn't a fan of the 1 in 10 over the 1 in 15 when it came in for the very reasons you highlight. 1 in 5 would include inferior pigeons i guess but it also gives a wee bit recognition to the bird and fancier alike. The longest race is very unique and extremely difficult so the reward of 1 in 5 sits ok with me. There will be years when its "easier" to get a doo than others and these are the years 1 in 5 is lenient but overall the difficulty of getting a timer from it is worth giving a certificate ti they doos. Think it highly unlikely a bird would compete 5 years running from it and more unlikely it would score every time sent so if one or even 2 of its performances for a Gold Award are made up frim the 1 in 5 rule i wouldn't grudge the doo its credit. Jmo Davie but wouldn't argue the point if it was done away with.

the good thing is we all have different idea,s of what is right, john,

[JohnQuinn]

the good thing is we all have different idea,s of what is right, john,

 

Very true Davie and the civilised amongst us can exchange them without trash talk and fall outs.

[VMS]

The sectional positions should not be diluted but birds timed should be mentioned on the result without a position assigned,encourages fanciers to send and gives fanciers that would not normally send a wee bit of recognition if they manage to get a bird in race time.dont have a problem with that

[Froog]

Lol.....south just make it look easy. Some folk wouldnae get a ticket if they made it 1 in 1!

I hope that's a joke?

[Froog]

I hope that's a joke?

or I misunderstood ?

[dal2]

or I misunderstood ?

Nae idea mate. The south section is soooooo easy it should be 1-20 ? I thought that was the joke??

[frank-123]

The sectional positions should not be diluted but birds timed should be mentioned on the result without a position assigned,encourages fanciers to send and gives fanciers that would not normally send a wee bit of recognition if they manage to get a bird in race time.dont have a problem with that

 

The word race has a meaning Vincent.For me your bird still has to be racing to get on the result if only 5 birds make the result then the result should read 5 pigeons not what every Tom Dick and Harry gets home two days later.

Youll be glad to see them DOOS but on that occasion they weren't good enough.

The SNFC has got to make it hard so when you get a national ticket by making the result then you know you and your bird have achieved something special.

 

So go back and make it harder just like it was before instead of watering down and comparing fanciers and results to the legends who went before.

[VMS]

The word race has a meaning Vincent.For me your bird still has to be racing to get on the result if only 5 birds make the result then the result should read 5 pigeons not what every Tom Dick and Harry gets home two days later.

Youll be glad to see them DOOS but on that occasion they weren't good enough.

The SNFC has got to make it hard so when you get a national ticket by making the result then you know you and your bird have achieved something special.

 

So go back and make it harder just like it was before instead of watering down and comparing fanciers and results to the legends who went before.

Theirs a difference from winning a sectional place and having your bird on the result where everyone can see that it did not win a sectional place,the winning birds remain the winners so it's not a big deal to me,it does not alter the result so see no problem with it.

[frank-123]

Theirs a difference from winning a sectional place and having your bird on the result where everyone can see that it did not win a sectional place,the winning birds remain the winners so it's not a big deal to me,it does not alter the result so see no problem with it.

 

 

I wouldn't want my pigeon on any result if it wasn't there on merit.

[Guest IB]

The word 'result' has a different meaning for different people. I remember Larkhall club back in the early 1970s which was a big club with a big birdage but only the first 40 pigeons timed appeared on the published result. I thought my club dues and race entrance fee would have entitled me to know how my first pigeon did in every race, and usually, the only way of knowing that is by seeing it on the published result. Members deliberately timed pigeons to keep others off the result.

 

Other than for the Longest Race, SNFC does not publish a true result of birds timed in the race, it is only a list sorted by highest velocity of those which win prizes (1:10) and / or pools. There are birds that are doing higher velocities than some taking prizes or pools that don't figure in the published result. I wouldn't call them inferior pigeons. They haven't any power over how much pools are put on them, or 'rules' that their collective owners dream up.

[VMS]

I wouldn't want my pigeon on any result if it wasn't there on merit.

Another way to look at it would be compared to club racing if the giving club only have prize tickets for the first 3 positions should the club result only consist of the first 3 birds as I said I don't really care I just think it would encourage new fanciers to send to these races

[dal2]

The word 'result' has a different meaning for different people. I remember Larkhall club back in the early 1970s which was a big club with a big birdage but only the first 40 pigeons timed appeared on the published result. I thought my club dues and race entrance fee would have entitled me to know how my first pigeon did in every race, and usually, the only way of knowing that is by seeing it on the published result. Members deliberately timed pigeons to keep others off the result.

 

Other than for the Longest Race, SNFC does not publish a true result of birds timed in the race, it is only a list sorted by highest velocity of those which win prizes (1:10) and / or pools. There are birds that are doing higher velocities than some taking prizes or pools that don't figure in the published result. I wouldn't call them inferior pigeons. They haven't any power over how much pools are put on them, or 'rules' that their collective owners dream up.

 

Birds doing higher vels winning prize money but not on any result!!Really?

[DJWa]

Another way to look at it would be compared to club racing if the giving club only have prize tickets for the first 3 positions should the club result only consist of the first 3 birds as I said I don't really care I just think it would encourage new fanciers to send to these races

 

the diferance is that with the sections you would have birds infront of birds who have scored

due to where their sections are

theoretically in a good race you could have 50 or 60 % of the southern sections birds on the result before the other sections places are filled

 

for me only section winners should go on the open result

 

you could get a result for every fanciers 1st bird only,

recorded in race time but would take up a lot of the secretarys time

not to mention keeping the marking stations open till a velocity of 400ypm was passed

[DJWa]

Birds doing higher vels winning prize money but not on any result!!Really?

 

I think that applies to birds who miss out on a section prize

but are put on at the bottom of the result because they have won some pools

 

and there are birds doing a higher velocity who are not mentioned because they have no pools to collect

 

or I'm completely wrong lol

[dal2]

I think that applies to birds who miss out on a section prize

but are put on at the bottom of the result because they have won some pools

 

and there are birds doing a higher velocity who are not mentioned because they have no pools to collect

 

or I'm completely wrong lol

I think the birds times before the poolers would get an open prize but no section prize........maybe lol