Good/bad Fanciers

[JohnQuinn]

Having posted on the losses thread about Good or Bad fanciers I wonder how members judge someone to be a Good or Bad fancier.

 

Ain't no right or wrong answers to this, it's just about opinions.

[dal2]

Results

[jimbo54]

Imo results don't always mean your a good fancier,for example ive seen winners who don't lift a finger on basketing night and cant get their birds through fast enough to get away to the pub leaving all the work to lesser mortals, so Imo they can be good flyers but bad fanciers.

[geordie1234]

Imo results don't always mean your a good fancier,for example ive seen winners who don't lift a finger on basketing night and cant get their birds through fast enough to get away to the pub leaving all the work to lesser mortals, so Imo they can be good flyers but bad fanciers.

I prefer to call them pri.cks lol

[kingbilly 1]

Having posted on the losses thread about Good or Bad fanciers I wonder how members judge someone to be a Good or Bad fancier.

 

Ain't no right or wrong answers to this, it's just about opinions.

Consistent results throw the years good stocks man who can turn out winners every year club fed or national helps others in sport not 1 hit wonders that score 1 year in 5 not fearful to try something new and never away Frome the top table at the presentation nights

[kingbilly 1]

Having posted on the losses thread about Good or Bad fanciers I wonder how members judge someone to be a Good or Bad fancier.

 

Ain't no right or wrong answers to this, it's just about opinions.

How would you consider yourself John good or bad lol

[geordie1234]

Consistent results throw the years good stocks man who can turn out winners every year club fed or national helps others in sport not 1 hit wonders that score 1 year in 5 not fearful to try something new and never away Frome the top table at the presentation nights

Spot on

[hotrod]

Having posted on the losses thread about Good or Bad fanciers I wonder how members judge someone to be a Good or Bad fancier.

 

Ain't no right or wrong answers to this, it's just about opinions.

hard question john . yes you can be a good fancier without winning lots of races , think it depends on what time you have , look at most top doo men in country they are either retired or have a loft helper\partner ,others have to work long hours or shifts that change week to week which makes any type of routene unworkable . but can still win a few races each year ,bad fanciers well most clubs have them they don't clean out their lofts never seem to train always at bottom of results (once or twice near the top in a blow home only)last one to do anything on a race weekend ,moan about every decision made at agm,s oh and they can never be bothered going to them .Then there is the money side of the sport , lots of fanciers cant afford to buy the very best not like some that spend thousands on the very best , and as most know the best apples always fall nearest the tree. ps not having a dig at anyone just my honest opinion on our great sport .

[geordie1234]

hard question john . yes you can be a good fancier without winning lots of races , think it depends on what time you have , look at most top doo men in country they are either retired or have a loft helper\partner ,others have to work long hours or shifts that change week to week which makes any type of routene unworkable . but can still win a few races each year ,bad fanciers well most clubs have them they don't clean out their lofts never seem to train always at bottom of results (once or twice near the top in a blow home only)last one to do anything on a race weekend ,moan about every decision made at agm,s oh and they can never be bothered going to them .Then there is the money side of the sport , lots of fanciers cant afford to buy the very best not like some that spend thousands on the very best , and as most know the best apples always fall nearest the tree. ps not having a dig at anyone just my honest opinion on our great sport .

Another good post

[blue pied]

hard question john . yes you can be a good fancier without winning lots of races , think it depends on what time you have , look at most top doo men in country they are either retired or have a loft helper\partner ,others have to work long hours or shifts that change week to week which makes any type of routene unworkable . but can still win a few races each year ,bad fanciers well most clubs have them they don't clean out their lofts never seem to train always at bottom of results (once or twice near the top in a blow home only)last one to do anything on a race weekend ,moan about every decision made at agm,s oh and they can never be bothered going to them .Then there is the money side of the sport , lots of fanciers cant afford to buy the very best not like some that spend thousands on the very best , and as most know the best apples always fall nearest the tree. ps not having a dig at anyone just my honest opinion on our great sport .

Spot on mate, I work agency. One min am no working, the next min I'm doing a 10 hour shift. The joys

[JohnQuinn]

How would you consider yourself John good or bad lol

 

Who me Tam ?? Am the best fancier in Ma hoose :emoticon-014

 

I agree way every word Jimbo posted and most of what Stuart posted. Selfish inconsiderate men who criticise everybody but themselves when it's no gawn their way but widnae lift a finger tae help somebody oot, ave Nae time for.

 

On the flip side ye have Super Fanciers who win year in year out and every time ye see them they are workin at ye marking stations. There fae the club opens tae the motor is away. 2 men in particular have stood the test of time tae qualify for that category and its Davy Elliot and Ian Lindsay. If ever I can lace any of they 2 men's shoes al consider Ma sel a good fancier. In the meantime al just need tae be mediocre, like a lot of other fanciers.

[bibendium]

I think this falls into a few categories and not just good or bad

 

Exceptional fanciers: those winning out of turn year in year out regardless of numbers , race conditions , location etc.etc.

 

Good Fanciers: those who,s birds are always in good condition and win more than their share of races etc, nice lofts,with a good grasp of what they are looking for and how to get it

 

Decent Fanciers , the vast majority I feel would fall into this category , as most look after their birds to the best of their ability and knowledge despite having to work and financial restraints etc,

 

Poor fanciers . some of those who despite decades in the sport are still failing to improve on there positions and who,s pigeons you would not want yours beside in a race basket. little or no knowledge of how to go about improving .

 

Bad fanciers. Dirty messy lofts (interiors filthy etc) birds never in condition , and carrying allsorts of illness and disease, I do appreciate that we can all have illness in our lofts from time to time but the failure to recognise it and treat it but still send to races is appalling . There are some of these in many clubs feds etc.

 

Just my views and maybe not nesseccerily right.

 

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[JohnQuinn]

I think this falls into a few categories and not just good or bad

 

Exceptional fanciers: those winning out of turn year in year out regardless of numbers , race conditions , location etc.etc.

 

Good Fanciers: those who,s birds are always in good condition and win more than their share of races etc, nice lofts,with a good grasp of what they are looking for and how to get it

 

Decent Fanciers , the vast majority I feel would fall into this category , as most look after their birds to the best of their ability and knowledge despite having to work and financial restraints etc,

 

Poor fanciers . some of those who despite decades in the sport are still failing to improve on there positions and who,s pigeons you would not want yours beside in a race basket. little or no knowledge of how to go about improving .

 

Bad fanciers. Dirty messy lofts (interiors filthy etc) birds never in condition , and carrying allsorts of illness and disease, I do appreciate that we can all have illness in our lofts from time to time but the failure to recognise it and treat it but still send to races is appalling . There are some of these in many clubs feds etc.

 

Just my views and maybe not nesseccerily right.

 

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Excellent post ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

[Roland]

Personally, I believe, there must be 2 different cartographies surely.

One. Judged (unfairly) on performances / wins etc. There are, and could be many, reasons why this is so, and not necessarily because they are a good fancier.

Two. Another fancier may not win much. Or even care much about winning! BUT their' birds are stress free. Well looked after and mostly in prime condition. Indeed loved. They are surely GOOD fanciers.

 

Now, if means and ability are able, then a REAL good fancier has both.

Likewise number two may also have many reason that can mean they have harder trials to over come.

[Harry0]

Results

Is there any other way.

[blue pied]

Is there any other way.

Yes, say one lad breeds 20 ybs and other lad breeds 120 and the lad with 20 ybs is 2nd 3rd 2nd etc each week and the guy with 120 wins every week. That doesn't mean he's the better flyer because he's winning. Lad working with a smaller team is better in my opinion

[Harry0]

Yes, say one lad breeds 20 ybs and other lad breeds 120 and the lad with 20 ybs is 2nd 3rd 2nd etc each week and the guy with 120 wins every week. That doesn't mean he's the better flyer because he's winning. Lad working with a smaller team is better in my opinion

If your looking to bring in birds you wouldn't look at who is 2nd or 3rd with 20 birds raced . You would look the results for consistent winners .

[JohnQuinn]

If your looking to bring in birds you wouldn't look at who is 2nd or 3rd with 20 birds raced . You would look the results for consistent winners .

 

True but the odds of buying Good pigeons from the guy with 20 are far better than buying from the guy with the 120 racers. Jmo.

[Roland]

True but the odds of buying Good pigeons from the guy with 20 are far better than buying from the guy with the 120 racers. Jmo.

 

True... Plus then there are costs involved. Costs most can't afford.

[JohnQuinn]

True... Plus then there are costs involved. Costs most can't afford.

 

Aye Roland very true indeed.

[geordie1234]

Sometimes I feel like I've cracked it after a good performace for the next week for me to feel like a raw novice lol In the doo game your are only one race away from getting your *expletive removed* felt...jst enjoy the good days and hide the rope on the bad lol

[Walter swanston]

This is an interesting subject to me and I am genuinely at a loss to describe a good pigeon fancier.I know of guys who work very hard for the pigeon fancy but seldom win anything.I know of fanciers where you could eat your dinner off the floor and they are not consistent winners.I know of lofts where the pigeon droppings are piled high and their birds seem to do okay.As far as I can see the pigeon fancy is composed of men and women from all walks of life and despite occasional disagreement I consider pigeon men to be the salt of the earth and I am privileged to be involved in racing pigeons at nearly 84 years of age.However I still am not sure why makes a good fancier.

[Bobby4]

This is an interesting subject to me and I am genuinely at a loss to describe a good pigeon fancier.I know of guys who work very hard for the pigeon fancy but seldom win anything.I know of fanciers where you could eat your dinner off the floor and they are not consistent winners.I know of lofts where the pigeon droppings are piled high and their birds seem to do okay.As far as I can see the pigeon fancy is composed of men and women from all walks of life and despite occasional disagreement I consider pigeon men to be the salt of the earth and I am privileged to be involved in racing pigeons at nearly 84 years of age.However I still am not sure why makes a good fancier.

Very good answer

[Roland]

One fancier will see in minutes - and act - what another won't see in a life time. I very much believe this.

 

A top Belgium fancier living Canada once said to me 'Cream always come to the top.... and one knows if a new fancier will ever be any good within the first 2-3 years'.

He also states that in every sport Men have more strength, speed etc. than women ... and it is the same with Pigeons'.

He'll then go on regard horses and dogs etc.

Now I personally STILL favour hens for distance and hard races... Indeed even on widowhood. I find hens to be far more genuine.

[Walter swanston]

I have never liked that saying about cream rising to the top Roland because in my not inconsiderable experience so does scum rise to the top of life's cesspool