Ets Timing & Location Of Pads / Sensors At Loft

[geordie1234]

Here's mine a single pad bobs at the end

 

Ps I could put my pad on the rood I still widny get a winner lol

[bullcock]

ps.I don't think its illegal BUT if the rule says the ets must be inside the loft then these ets traps don't comply to this rule

Del, I think a stall trap, sputnik or any home made system bolted onto the loft becomes part of the loft like a veranda for instance, so as long as the bird has entered one of these it has entered the loft, IMO.

We have adopted our ETS to the bottom of the stall traps, the same as Cemetary's, so where you can legally remove a rubber ring on the stall is where we record the time, this year we have made a anti cat trap on one of our lofts and the birds go through some free swinging bobs (to slow them down) before they are recorded in the inside.

The actual rule leave's a lot to interpretation and doesn't mention the bird can't come back out, sometimes we have all our birds out at arrival time and they can go in and out as they please, which is my choice and no rule should change this.

[Walter swanston]

When somebody says "I still time in with a T3 and have no axe to grind" they're winding you up boys.

[Delboy]

Del, I think a stall trap, sputnik or any home made system bolted onto the loft becomes part of the loft like a veranda for instance, so as long as the bird has entered one of these it has entered the loft, IMO.

We have adopted our ETS to the bottom of the stall traps, the same as Cemetary's, so where you can legally remove a rubber ring on the stall is where we record the time, this year we have made a anti cat trap on one of our lofts and the birds go through some free swinging bobs (to slow them down) before they are recorded in the inside.

The actual rule leave's a lot to interpretation and doesn't mention the bird can't come back out, sometimes we have all our birds out at arrival time and they can go in and out as they please, which is my choice and no rule should change this.

 

[Bobby4]

Thats mine

 

[Delboy]

heres mine

[Big Davie]

Guys I put this post up to provoke some thoughts and create debate so keep your thoughts coming, this has nothing to do with the old potato about the advantages / disadvantages of ETS vs conventional timing, I understand and accept all of that', it's about birds being timed before they have crossed the threshold / entrance to the loft i.e. Standing on a landing board, I will try to post up a few scenarios later

[Big Davie]

When somebody says "I still time in with a T3 and have no axe to grind" they're winding you up boys.

That's nonsense, I have a Unikon ETS system but currently prefer to time in to a T3

[dal2]

That's nonsense, I have a Unikon ETS system but currently prefer to time in to a T3

That's deffo nonsense

[Guest johnhunter]

That's deffo nonsense

DEFFO

[Walter swanston]

Absolutely

[harry h]

Now I understand, when Pigeon men speak about Location,Location,Location. :D

[Walter swanston]

Remember the words of Winston Churchill. "rules are made for the guidance of the wise and the obedience of the foolish",

[JohnQuinn]

Here's the trap

 

Is the pad beyond the wooden front of the loft or are they timed before crossing into the loft "proper" Alan ??

[ALF]

Is the pad beyond the wooden front of the loft or are they timed before crossing into the loft "proper" Alan ??

same as yours John they can be timed and walk back out but pad is within the trap

[JohnQuinn]

same as yours John they can be timed and walk back out but pad is within the trap

 

It's aw legal then.

[ALF]

It's aw legal then.

i think so

[walterboswell59]

i agree with george you should be able to put the pad any where you like then everyone is on the same level and for those that use clocks and think its unfair get one and stop moaning about it pigeon racing has never been a level playing field and all the cheating thats been done has been with clocks and rubbers its progress move on or be left behind jmo

[Big Davie]

When somebody says "I still time in with a T3 and have no axe to grind" they're winding you up boys.

 

 

That's nonsense, I have a Unikon ETS system but currently prefer to time in to a T3

 

 

That's deffo nonsense

 

 

DEFFO

 

 

Absolutely

 

Walter, Stevie, Jimmy

 

If you are implying that I am anti ETS then nothing could be further from the truth', I actually think it is single most progressive introduction to the doo game that I have seen in almost 50 years in the sport' currently I use a T3 to time arrivals ' this is my choice for which I have my own reasons, I am simply trying to establish what the rules are regards timing arrivals with ETS and if the rules are being abused or broken' this concern is not dedicated to fanciers who time in by the conventional method of using a clock, it should concern all fanciers, ETS users included

 

FYI, I do have a Unikon ETS system and have this for for perhaps 8 years but have only used it during one YB season just to see how it worked' so absolutely no nonsense in this statement it's an absolute fact

 

You should also ask yourself why the SNFC posted a statement relating to this on there WEB site'. This to me would suggest that a matter has raised with the committee that caused enough concern to warrant this' or perhaps you think that the SNFC were just releasing a timely reminder !!

[dal2]

Walter, Stevie, Jimmy

 

If you are implying that I am anti ETS then nothing could be further from the truth', I actually think it is single most progressive introduction to the doo game that I have seen in almost 50 years in the sport' currently I use a T3 to time arrivals ' this is my choice for which I have my own reasons, I am simply trying to establish what the rules are regards timing arrivals with ETS and if the rules are being abused or broken' this concern is not dedicated to fanciers who time in by the conventional method of using a clock, it should concern all fanciers, ETS users included

 

FYI, I do have a Unikon ETS system and have this for for perhaps 8 years but have only used it during one YB season just to see how it worked' so absolutely no nonsense in this statement it's an absolute fact

 

You should also ask yourself why the SNFC posted a statement relating to this on there WEB site'. This to me would suggest that a matter has raised with the committee that caused enough concern to warrant this' or perhaps you think that the SNFC were just releasing a timely reminder !!

It's simple for me .........if anybody needs checking then do it.......but remember and do everybody. ETS is the best thing since sliced bread. If someone told me it was banned and I had to start chasing my birds roon the loft and filling in entry forms. ......I might just jack it!

[Walter swanston]

Davie you are correct in your observation that ETS is probably the most significant advance in our sport in many years.I recollect ferociously arguments over the efficiency of antique timing clocks,I have seen exhausted pigeons picked up and carried towards lofts to be timed in, I have heard of guys going about with T3 clocks strapped to their body chasing tired doos to time them in,I haves seen pigeons so traumatised by rough handling that they refuse to trap.Ifa bird is home it's home it is as simple as that no matter where the ETS pad is.And by the way if you have not used your Unikon system for 8 years it's gonnae need batteries.

[Upsndoons]

Thought !

 

If you can pick up your sensor pad and connect/disconnect it only while you are stood inside your loft then it's 'Inside', if you have to be stood outside you loft to do the same then is it 'outside' your loft.

 

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[Big Davie]

Davie you are correct in your observation that ETS is probably the most significant advance in our sport in many years.I recollect ferociously arguments over the efficiency of antique timing clocks,I have seen exhausted pigeons picked up and carried towards lofts to be timed in, I have heard of guys going about with T3 clocks strapped to their body chasing tired doos to time them in,I haves seen pigeons so traumatised by rough handling that they refuse to trap.Ifa bird is home it's home it is as simple as that no matter where the ETS pad is.And by the way if you have not used your Unikon system for 8 years it's gonnae need batteries.

Walter, whilst I don't disagree with much of what you have written your view that " when a bird is home it's home it's as simple as that no matter where the ETS pad is ". Is your own personal opinion which I have some empathy with, whilst I understand that pigeon racing is inherently unfair for various reasons the rules which govern all timing systems are their to protect the fancy at large by ensuring no malpractice and that the playing field is as level as it can be for all competitors, no matter what method of timing pigeons they use, having read through all of the posts on this thread then my view is that John Quinn's interpretation of the rules which currently apply to timing arrivals with ETS are likely to be accurate, i.e. that the pad must be located within the loft or trapping system and the bird must breach the threshold / entrance to loft to record it's arrival in compliance with the rules as they currently stand, however should the pad be unwittingly or deliberately positioned so that arrival of a bird can be recorded whilst the bird s still outside and has not entered the loft or trapping system then this Is contrary to rules as they currently stand where this could lead to disqualification should the pad / trapping system be inspected by an official of the race organiser, for me this would be an absolute travesty given that a bird may have grafted for lets say 15 hours to reach home

[Walter swanston]

Yeah and the very best of luck to the official who tells the fancier who thinks he has won that he is disqualified.

[Big Davie]

Thought !

 

If you can pick up your sensor pad and connect/disconnect it only while you are stood inside your loft then it's 'Inside', if you have to be stood outside you loft to do the same then is it 'outside' your loft.

 

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Upsndoons,I have seen many trapping systems where a pad could be disconnected from either inside or outside the loft, for example a Sputnik trap.

 

Here's a thought for you , if a sensor was fixed to the underside / inside face of the roof or landing board of a veranda then it would definitely be located inside the loft, however it would also allow birds to be timed that walked across the pad on the outside of the loft where they are clearly still outside the loft and would not comply with the current rules