Natural

[peter pandy]

that last line is threaded with "GOLD" in my opinion

Andy, I have spoken to many top men over the years and have discussed this very subject with them and it is a fact that the first ever eggs from a yearling Hen are the best she will ever lay.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Andy, I have spoken to many top men over the years and have discussed this very subject with them and it is a fact that the first ever eggs from a yearling Hen are the best she will ever lay.

 

Is that yer dog's opinion too Peter? Did they enjoy their omelette?

[geordie1234]

So the ones that trap are the ones that get the most possibly 20 grams each?

 

Basically ye don't have a system as you don't feed a set amount you don't know how many is in your loft either

 

Maybe your doos win well in spite eh ye?

[peter pandy]

Is that yer dog's opinion too Peter? Did they enjoy their omelette?

 

Lewis, ya cheeky devil If the truth were known it was old Hens that could not wait fur a Cock [figuratively speaking] that laid, not the yearling Hens.. Thoroughly enjoyed your latest in BHW and when ye come tae dae mine am gonna set the dugs oan ye.. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Lewis, ya cheeky devil If the truth were known it was old Hens that could not wait fur a Cock [figuratively speaking] that laid, not the yearling Hens.. Thoroughly enjoyed your latest in BHW and when ye come tae dae mine am gonna set the dugs oan ye.. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

just at the wind up Peter . Although I'm no totally convinced about you and the top men's yearling hen egg theory. If we all thought the same it wouldn't be much fun

 

 

 

 

[peter pandy]

So the ones that trap are the ones that get the most possibly 20 grams each?

 

Basically ye don't have a system as you don't feed a set amount you don't know how many is in your loft either

 

Maybe your doos win well in spite eh ye?

 

You are making it quite obvious that you are neither observant nor knowledgeable regarding my/your birds. I have at all times especially feeding time am aware that the pigeon that does not want a feed or one who might only take two pieces of feed are the ones in super condition and it is the opposite when they are not one hundred per cent ready, so are never sent racing..

 

A system is an organised scheme or method ie W/Hood, R/About, Natural. and naw ah dinnae count them every day..

[geordie1234]

Never claimed to be knowledgeable I've only been in the game 3 full seasons...

 

Was always told to learn you must ask questions

 

Maybe one day I will be on your level

Edited March 23, 2016 by geordie1234

[Delboy]

Never claimed to be knowledgeable I've only been in the game 3 full seasons...

 

Was always told to learn you must ask questions

 

Maybe one day I will be on your level

 

lol Geo, in your short time in the Lanarkshire fed you've done well m8 and Peter would be well pleased with those results , im sure.

 

This thread is doing well, 307,000 views, just shows ye folk have too much time in their hands lol. Keep it going Peter, lets see if we can hit the half million.

[peter pandy]

Thank's for the encouragement Del am only sorry I did not realise George was a new start and thought he was taking the Mick [Nothing to do with the Irish].

I had one back yesterday that I lost Y/Bird racing in 2014 minus its ets ring and in its place a yellow plastic ring so if whoever had it would care to get in touch I am sure we could come to some arrangement regarding your upcoming funeral ..

[peter pandy]

I said to the Mrs I will probably make a nuisance of myself when I started NATURAL and of course she replied you dont have to start anything as your already a nuisance. Even C.J. said something similar when I told him off for letting his dog into the loft, He kind of changed his mind when it buggered off with one he was handling and swallowed it. Their was no way I was getting to grips with it as it weighed in about 20 stone and was more a pony than an English Mastiff. The Romans used them as war dogs and for hunting lions and he wanted me to rescue the poor bird that was already down its throat !! Yes I might be a nuisance but am not stupid.

[peter pandy]

Three days into pairing and its not only bedlam more like pandemonium. Blood and snot from some wanting more than their fair share yet others have quietly went about their business as if they were old age pensioners [i know aboot that]. Not to worry though as it will be all right on the day and they will settle down on eggs shortly maybe !!.

Some have been quite content to forget about a nest box and are quite happy to burrow into the "aubiose" bedding adding straws to make a nest where they will lay and breed, hopefully I wont stand on them,

I recall reading many many years ago about a Mr Timmerman who never cleaned out at all and his loft had no boxes or perches where his colony nested and roosted on the deep litter of droppings which had transformed itself into a deep carpet inches thick. Every square foot had a nest in it and they were never parted. I had promised myself to go over for a visit but never had the opportunity which was my loss. The birds are out every day on open hole and apart from a couple of Cocks are looking good. To-morrow I will start throwing down straws for them to nest build and will take notice of those who are interested in gathering which builds a bond with the loft as they usually give a performance later in the year.

Another Post about deep litter had me wondering and although I am sure I have tried them all the worst had to be plastic flooring as it retains moisture and when damp its slippy, Easy bed I found would have been better if seasoned wood was used as it appears to be fresh and gives off a resin fume, Straw Is too short now that the combine harvester is cutting and baling, Shavings blow about and get in the birds eyes, Aubiose at the moment I like as it forms a carpet and is dust free and I lift the droppings from under the perches with a stable fork but if I was fitter it would be the scraper and hoover overy day.

[peter pandy]

Two women were passing my gate this afternoon stopped and asked if the pigeons on the loft roof were fighting and why ?. When I told them they were having sex one replied they should not be doing that in public. I was stumped for an answer without being impertinent so replied that I would tell them off and they went away shaking their heads then the dog they were walking stopped and £hit on the pavement. Naw they did not pick it up either. Hopefully I will see them again..

[peter pandy]

I have more Cocks than Hens yet a couple of old hens are insisting on pairing to young hens so looks like I will have a couple going to the distance with their first live eggs in a couple of months, cannae wait tae try them..

[peter pandy]

Having paired up 6 days ago 4 pairs laid to-night so I am of to a good start and hopefully the rest will lay soon. I have counted 22 built nests. late bred Cocks are finding their way and are slower in commanding a box but thats nature for you. With racing starting in 18 days I will miss the first couple no doubt and will start them at 120 miles in 39 days time.

[dal2]

That's the bit that gets me peter....loads of time to get yersel sorted but already yet behind the gun?? I know what yer reply will be but I disagree already lol

[geordie1234]

Thought they were up flying alongside the planes lol

[peter pandy]

Clairvoyancy Stevie ! I wish I knew what I was going to do next ?? However I am not interested in averages any more as you can waste good birds chasing a trophy, No I have a good barometer at the loft and take temp and hygrometer readings every day [ I even put them in my diary ] and with the temp under 10c I wont be training air quality rarely below 90 is still too damp and could give the birds a harder time training than I would wish at this time of the year. But good luck to those who require a lift early racing can give. The other thing I intend to do is send to the Y/B Nat with birds bred off my Yearlings and late breds when their distance is up to prove again that you dont need darkies for it. As all my birds are bred down from Long to Extreme Distance winners so it is a waiting game and although I am 70 in a couple of months I just have to hope the big man upstairs will give me the time to complete my mission.. As regards pairing up I have a notion that as we all know that birds eat more in cold weather so when rearing young in winter months they are probably overfeeding the youngsters to the extent of rearing a bunch of fatties. Yes I can see that statement will put the cat amongst the pigeons as the saying goes "Food for thought"....

[peter pandy]

Thought they were up flying alongside the planes lol

George, I had a phone call from Turnberry Air Traffic Control asking me if I could please refrain from flying my birds too high due to a near miss !! So I have complied with their wishes and gave the birds a rollocking with dire consequences if disobeyed. So they told me to go forth and multiply but they forgot that I am the one who pays the piper and they now fly at a more sedate pace and lower now the girlfriends are with them LOL..

[geordie1234]

Lol

[dal2]

Clairvoyancy Stevie ! I wish I knew what I was going to do next ?? However I am not interested in averages any more as you can waste good birds chasing a trophy, No I have a good barometer at the loft and take temp and hygrometer readings every day [ I even put them in my diary ] and with the temp under 10c I wont be training air quality rarely below 90 is still too damp and could give the birds a harder time training than I would wish at this time of the year. But good luck to those who require a lift early racing can give. The other thing I intend to do is send to the Y/B Nat with birds bred off my Yearlings and late breds when their distance is up to prove again that you dont need darkies for it. As all my birds are bred down from Long to Extreme Distance winners so it is a waiting game and although I am 70 in a couple of months I just have to hope the big man upstairs will give me the time to complete my mission.. As regards pairing up I have a notion that as we all know that birds eat more in cold weather so when rearing young in winter months they are probably overfeeding the youngsters to the extent of rearing a bunch of fatties. Yes I can see that statement will put the cat amongst the pigeons as the saying goes "Food for thought"....

Fair play mate......I knew you would give me the old.....distance fir me......and......early races for the foolish. Truth is i love pigeon racing 50 or 500

[peter pandy]

If the truth be told Steve I could not wait for racing to start and like you loved every race regardless of distance.

Perhaps if I had a larger loft I would have paired Yearlings early so not to miss the start but as I dont I cannot.

[Wiley]

Isnt it ideal to send yearlings sitting their first eggs? I cannot think of a much better motivation for a first race?

[peter pandy]

Isnt it ideal to send yearlings sitting their first eggs? I cannot think of a much better motivation for a first race?

I have already given that a bit of thought and as yet nothing is set in stone. But my problem is that this is a young team I have introduced and wish to give them as much time as possible to bond their homing ability and love of loft. My good lady say's, at my age I must be patient and am not sure in what context she meant !!!.

[peter pandy]

Ran out of marsh grass for nest building so the wife and I had to go and cut more for them. I have to admit it is the first time I have used this material and find it excellent although the wife says I have to watch the shears as I nearly had her hand off when chopping it.

Quite pleased the way they are going to nest and another couple down this evening and its only on the 7 day mark, Hopefully all will be down on the 10 days and will make life easier.

[alec guinness]

Ran out of marsh grass for nest building so the wife and I had to go and cut more for them. I have to admit it is the first time I have used this material and find it excellent although the wife says I have to watch the shears as I nearly had her hand off when chopping it.

Quite pleased the way they are going to nest and another couple down this evening and its only on the 7 day mark, Hopefully all will be down on the 10 days and will make life easier.

 

 

Good pair of scissors is the best peter and cut 12 to 15 inches.