Pairing Up For 2016 Youngsters

[paddymac]

I wont be pairing the birds up until the end of February beginning of March.

[peter pandy]

We have been banging on about YBS and yet fanciers are breeding out of the natural season. Donkeys years ago nobody in this neck of the woods paired before March and you want to start thinking when reading about the guys down South of England where the weather is kinder. Please dont reply and tell me Darkies will beat normal natural youngsters because if that was fact then all the entrants on Darkness would all be home before a natural and I have never encountered that fact yet. As far as I am concerned you are only encouraging feed bills for three months needlessly.

[Wiley]

"The earlier pairing of breeding pigeons would also be a precaution against disease in young animals. It's just the way it is that youngsters, which are bred in December or January, at the beginning of the young bird races in the UK are already six, seven and eight months old. I always label these youngsters as pseudo-year-old. They are not proper aged pigeons yet (rather pseudo-year-old), however, due to their age they are in the growth phase in which they are developing the immune system of an adult pigeon.

A youngster, which comes into the world, has an immune system that is mainly controlled by the immune organ Bursa Fabrici. However, this immune organ is precisely the main point open to attack by the circo virus in racing pigeons. It would therefore be more correct if we were not to speak of the "adeno virus" in the case young bird sickness, but rather of the "circo virus". Almost every pigeon fancier (approx. 90%) has circo virus in their loft population. This is only a logical consequence of the selling, buying and exchanging of racing pigeons in the last twenty years.

If the immune organ Bursa Fabrici is affected by the circo virus it will no longer be able to fulfil it main task of warding off diseases, bacteria and germs. The youngster is particularly vulnerable, unprotected, without immunity and will now acquire that which we recognize as young bird sickness: coli germs, trichomonads, hexamita, fungi etc.!

Luckily the immune organ Bursa Fabrici, which is affected by the circo virus does not control the immune system for the life of the youngster. At the age of six, seven and eight months, the immune organ reduces in size, degenerates and other immune systems replace the immune activity in squabs. The youngster becomes an adult pigeon, the new immune system functions and the the Bursa Fabrici and the circo virus no longer plays a role. Hence young bird sickness is again manageable or simply expressed: You cure and the youngster (the pseudo-year-old) remains healthy.

Now you understand why it is a great advantage to pair earlier and to be able to deal with young bird races with older youngsters. Since most UK racing pigeon breeders breed one, two or three rounds, they perhaps repeatedly place younger pigeons in the young bird section in many cases, which are more susceptible to disease in young animals and thus also co-infect the older youngsters again and again. A separation of the various rounds would be an optimal solution. Many breeders would then realize that the older youngsters are more stable and do not repeatedly fall ill with young bird sickness.

 

 

The above is from Tollisan Schroeder a vetinerian on why breeding young birds earlier is the best preventative for young bird sickness.

 

Regarding weather it has no effect on pigeons, the only thing that effects pigeons from pairing is the length of day light like all nature. Just look at the streeters at blackpool rearing big youngsters at blackpool weekend.

[dal2]

We have been banging on about YBS and yet fanciers are breeding out of the natural season. Donkeys years ago nobody in this neck of the woods paired before March and you want to start thinking when reading about the guys down South of England where the weather is kinder. Please dont reply and tell me Darkies will beat normal natural youngsters because if that was fact then all the entrants on Darkness would all be home before a natural and I have never encountered that fact yet. As far as I am concerned you are only encouraging feed bills for three months needlessly.

Darkness dusnae give ye better pigeons just better feathering at the back end of the season. Am pairing mine next week

[peter pandy]

"The earlier pairing of breeding pigeons would also be a precaution against disease in young animals. It's just the way it is that youngsters, which are bred in December or January, at the beginning of the young bird races in the UK are already six, seven and eight months old. I always label these youngsters as pseudo-year-old. They are not proper aged pigeons yet (rather pseudo-year-old), however, due to their age they are in the growth phase in which they are developing the immune system of an adult pigeon.

A youngster, which comes into the world, has an immune system that is mainly controlled by the immune organ Bursa Fabrici. However, this immune organ is precisely the main point open to attack by the circo virus in racing pigeons. It would therefore be more correct if we were not to speak of the "adeno virus" in the case young bird sickness, but rather of the "circo virus". Almost every pigeon fancier (approx. 90%) has circo virus in their loft population. This is only a logical consequence of the selling, buying and exchanging of racing pigeons in the last twenty years.

If the immune organ Bursa Fabrici is affected by the circo virus it will no longer be able to fulfil it main task of warding off diseases, bacteria and germs. The youngster is particularly vulnerable, unprotected, without immunity and will now acquire that which we recognize as young bird sickness: coli germs, trichomonads, hexamita, fungi etc.!

Luckily the immune organ Bursa Fabrici, which is affected by the circo virus does not control the immune system for the life of the youngster. At the age of six, seven and eight months, the immune organ reduces in size, degenerates and other immune systems replace the immune activity in squabs. The youngster becomes an adult pigeon, the new immune system functions and the the Bursa Fabrici and the circo virus no longer plays a role. Hence young bird sickness is again manageable or simply expressed: You cure and the youngster (the pseudo-year-old) remains healthy.

Now you understand why it is a great advantage to pair earlier and to be able to deal with young bird races with older youngsters. Since most UK racing pigeon breeders breed one, two or three rounds, they perhaps repeatedly place younger pigeons in the young bird section in many cases, which are more susceptible to disease in young animals and thus also co-infect the older youngsters again and again. A separation of the various rounds would be an optimal solution. Many breeders would then realize that the older youngsters are more stable and do not repeatedly fall ill with young bird sickness.

 

 

The above is from Tollisan Schroeder a vetinerian on why breeding young birds earlier is the best preventative for young bird sickness.

 

Regarding weather it has no effect on pigeons, the only thing that effects pigeons from pairing is the length of day light like all nature. Just look at the streeters at blackpool rearing big youngsters at blackpool weekend.

Wiley, I must appologise as I have never read so much tosh in all my nellie puff, I introduced in the past 18 months birds from 5 different lofts and bred 4 rounds of youngsters FROM THEM without experiencing YBS or any other ailment and regards Blackpool streeters and all other streeters the lights are on all night long for goodness sake.

[Wiley]

Thats why they are rearing Peter because of the light, u mentioned the weather down south, so i gave an example of the bitter north on the irish sea where they are rearing when the weather is bad, but the use of lights effects their hormones making them breed, and not where the weather is kinder.

[peter pandy]

Thats why they are rearing Peter because of the light, u mentioned the weather down south, so i gave an example of the bitter north on the irish sea where they are rearing when the weather is bad, but the use of lights effects their hormones making them breed, and not where the weather is kinder.

Up here in Central Scotland we have about 6 hours daylight and dampness in the air 90/95% on the hygrometer most days and it will be worse up North. I found Blackpool to be quite nice in January. However when working in the London area I was wearing shorts most of the time in the winter months due to the climate and longer daylight hours. When individuals pair up is their perogative and I only intended to put over the point off years gone bye within my dotage and living in the distant past. Perhaps Stevie should consult his father on how they could retard the moult to benefit the last Y/B races as done in our day.

[Uphill Lofts]

Its bang on for one loft race entries? Folk like mature younguns to race with in good feather? folk like to get the breeding out the way cos it suits racing widowhood?.....loads of reasons Peter

 

I can`t agree about early bred youngsters better for (one loft races) Mine that I enter are Feb/March. hatched.Always there for final race.

[dal2]

Up here in Central Scotland we have about 6 hours daylight and dampness in the air 90/95% on the hygrometer most days and it will be worse up North. I found Blackpool to be quite nice in January. However when working in the London area I was wearing shorts most of the time in the winter months due to the climate and longer daylight hours. When individuals pair up is their perogative and I only intended to put over the point off years gone bye within my dotage and living in the distant past. Perhaps Stevie should consult his father on how they could retard the moult to benefit the last Y/B races as done in our day.

I will ask lol.......as my memory goes swallow tails and bare lugs were pretty much the norm for everybody in our club, yes the odd one held better than others and these were the ones hunted out for the last ones. Of course he will say that the weather you have around in the summer will dictate the body moult.

 

I can`t agree about early bred youngsters better for (one loft races) Mine that I enter are Feb/March. hatched.Always there for final race.

I wusnae telling you I was asking lol hence the question marks..... I am going to have a go at one loft race this year for the first go

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

First egg laid last night. Turns out they aren't a pair of homosexual cocks after all haha.

[gordi.b]

After Blackpool

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I wont be pairing the birds up until the end of February beginning of March.

snap,

[philg50]

Mine are never split ,but nest boxes get closed ,another section next door the birds have access to has perches ,when cleaning i remove any eggs that appear in corners during the non breeding season ,i just opened boxes at the weekend there ,what i was getting round to saying what i find was that the birds actually stop laying eggs themselves for a period without my intervention ,I do not profess to be a great doo man but under these conditions they decide.

[geordie1234]

I pair up early because I want more ybs from my stock birds and I want to get my race team split earlier so they are ready for the first races and when I put back for the channel etc its nearly 6 months from their nest

[geordie1234]

[dal2]

I pair up early because I want more ybs from my stock birds and I want to get my race team split earlier so they are ready for the first races and when I put back for the channel etc its nearly 6 months from their nest

wise heed on this young man..........super motivation is worth 10 bags of feed for early younguns

[Tony C]

Why anybody should want to pair up at this time of year is beyond me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35230696

 

I think we all agree weather patterns are a changing. Heavy frosts aren't indicative with breeding so pairing early may be the way forward.

[dal2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35230696

 

I think we all agree weather patterns are a changing. Heavy frosts aren't indicative with breeding so pairing early may be the way forward.

It still dusnae bother the birds, have seen me snashing ice oot the drinkers while they are feeding babies lol