ETS

[dandydoo]

OK

[Guest]

Just like some of the people in my club i fly open doors and use ets, whats all the fuss about,  49 clubs in scotland now use the unikon system its passed by the shu and its here to stay,more clubs will follow now  its been passed by the SCOTTISH NATIONAL FLYING CLUB for use in 2007.  

                                                                     FORTHVIEW

 

 

 

[Guest]

Mike,

 

I think Forthview is more qualified to answer your point that I as he has just posted that he uses open doors, my answer would not be first hand or from experience as I use chute traps.

[Mike Lycett]

DD - I haven't started on my points yet.  It'll be obvious when I do.  For now, I wanted to be clear on what process was in place that rejected the ETS - jyst in case some people didn't know the process.

 

Next up, all I'm asking for at the moment is a thorough explanation of how the ETS system works on an Open Door trapping system considering this is the way that the overwhelming majority ofv fanciers in the UK trap their birds.

 

I won't move on until I'm clear on the trapping system  / Open door / ETS process

 

Mike

 

Forthview = Can you oblige please tellingm e precisely how the ETS works on open door.  i.e Where the sensors are etc??

Thanks

mIke

 

 

[Guest]

This is our chute trapping system

[Guest]

Sorry but i never said the ets works ON an open door as the pad must be inside the loft.

[MsPigeon]

Mike,

The birds simply need to walk over the sensor pad (antenna), if you took the shoot off Hyacinth's picture you would have an open door entrance with ETS and as I mentioned before the bird is only clocked in once even if it goes in and out. The sensor pad or antenna for Unikon will read through 1/4" plywood, so if your landing board/entrance is 1/4" plywood just make a slot for it to slide under and sit in. Each clock brand is probably different but the Unikon antenna is about an inch or so thick and about 6"x12" rectangle shaped. http://www.cbspigeon.com/supplies/unikon/index.html

This site has USA prices and pictures and installation etc. for Unikon.

No one has mentioned the ease of shipping and race reports for the race sec. using ETS. ETS takes so much work and hand paper work out of shipping and race reports; it's worth it just for that! Birds with ETS bands are simply scanned into the race and at knockoff the clock module puts all the race info into the computer without all the data entering by hand. I too remember the days of going in the loft to retrieve the rubber from the returning race birds and bang the clock and the adrenalin rush and handling the returning 500-mile day bird. But I also get the same thrill watching my returning racers drop on the landing board and rush in the loft without any hesitation. I still handle my birds after clocking, after they drink or eat and settle down but it’s a more stress free situation that I'm sure my birds can sense it. And there is no way I can see that anyone could cheat, they couldn't run home and drop in the module to clock their nominated bird in, if they did it wouldn't count if it was clocked after the knock off time set and entered by the race sec.

 

[Mike Lycett]

Hang on a minute then!   This is crucial !!

 

Our birds - like most birds in the UK fly through an open door and hit the back of their box - BUMP. They do'nt touch the top of the loft, the floor, the garden or anywhere else. They only ever hit their box - just like good widowers should

 

One question and only question only at the moment. Unless I implement some kind of "chute", "trap" "landing area" "sputnik" can I not use the ETS system?  My birds fly straight through an open door & I'm not prepared to change anything to our loft. Can ETS work if I fly an Open Door-  just like the vast majority of guys here in the UK do?

[fifestay]

 

Forthview = Can you oblige please tellingm e precisely how the ETS works on open door.  i.e Where the sensors are etc??

Thanks

mIke

 

 

Mike what i dont get is that your are saying your still getting your facts right about ETS and open doors but you have already said that its all wrong and England shouldn't have it  and arguing with Linda etc whoare telling you how it is.So if you dont know the system and the facts how r u saying it is wrong. Is that you just dont like the thought, listening to others or what either you got a view based on facts or you got an opinion on personal feelings

 

 

[Guest]

only if you are prepared to listen to others who use open door and not condem things out of hand and refuse to change anything.

 

Honestly in my opinion I think you're nick picking for the sake of it.

 

anyway well trained birds always land where they are trained to do

[fifestay]

Its a matter of taste really if you want it have it

[Guest]

and if you don't, give the people who want it the opportunity of choice.

[Guest]

          ETS CAN BE PUT ON THE  WALL INSIDE THE LOFT

MOST OF THE LOFTS UP HERE DONT HAVE OPEN DOORS

[PIGEON_MAN]

, give the people who want it the opportunity of choice.

 

THIS POSTING FROM HYACINTH SAYS IT ALL FOR ME.

[peterpau]

Mike sorry I still don't understand why you're so against ETS you must realise it will come in in our lifetime. [ I think I'm about 5 years older than you] As far as I can see it is only a matter of time, surely we've moved on from Toulet's this is the next logical step. Think of guys with PFL this would be a godsend, and we need all the members we can get. By the way I do realize you're in the majority, I just don't understand why.

[Tony C]

The cost of ETS may have influenced more than the odd one or two to vote against it.

 

http://www.cbspigeon.com/supplies/unikon/index.html

[THE FIFER]

hi not getting involved with ets but one thing regarding only clocking ur first 3 birds etc does not mean u are going to give a novice a chance as u are also giving other non novice a chance, my thoughts are that i would not like to think i have taken a place when my bird was not home in the place, because someone did'nt time in, that's not racing, if u do not want to take so many places put less birds away, but if birds are home in time to take places they shoud be in, who wants a place nowing that so and so had about 3-4 birds in before that,

[Mike Lycett]

Of course ETS will be passed at swome point by the RPRA in the UK. To be honest it would be a tremendous thing for our loft. I often have to work weekends & miss the birds etc...   What I was saying though was that I don't think it is right for the RPRA to implement it & the fanciers of the RPRA obviously feel thew same. If they didn't it would have got passed.

 

I'm not an expert on ETS - never said I was. I said I've "seen" it in operation loadso f timesi n various countries & I don't like it - its not for me.   I WILL go into my reasons for my feelings, but for the moment I want to understand what Clockman was saying about it being placed on the wall???    Please explain to me how this works.    I've only ever seen it in operation on stall traps, sputniks, landing areas etc...   I don't want to alter my loft in any way shape or form.

[ribble]

if you have a corridor you can place it on the floor.i went to dirk leekens loft quite a while back,he flew through open doors the birds trapped into the corridor then entered the section at floor level through stall traps.but if you aint got a corridor i dont see how you could use it on open door...

[peterpau]

It aint for me either  and I too would like to here from clockman, glad to agree with you Mike. I don't want to change my set up but I don't want to prevent someone with different idea's either. What's more I probably couldn't afford it

[TheSaddler]

Thanks for the responses to my previous questions - I've found this thread very useful. A good debate discussing both the pro's and cons of ETS. Thanks to all for your input.

 

I won't be rushing out to buy an ETS system - But I now have a much better understanding.

[Chris Little]

My thoughts on ETS have never changed for years and maybe never will but at the same time I have no intention at all of falling out with anyone that uses the system, I personally know fanciers have have ETS and race against them.

 

However, what amazes me is why people should expect me to accept the fact that my birds have a few seconds disadvantage when it comes to trapping and clocking, this is where the dispute is and no one has yet to touch on this. Put it another way but yet just as equal , would you let your fellow competitors birds be liberated 10 / 20 seconds before yours in a race.....  

 

Forthview - you touched on the fact that the SNFC have given ETS the green light for 2007......... I await with immense interest to see how this will be policed under the current laughable SHU rulings / guidelines.   :o

 

At the end of the day , I simply just love the sheer surge of adrenalin when handling and timing in the first doo that arrives home ....... PURE MAGIC , thats my choice  ;D

 

Chris   ;D ;D ;D

[THE FIFER]

the only thing i have heard about open door with ets is that u catch the bird and pass it over a sensor pad,

[T_T]

Could anyone tell me.  If the ETS system comes in ( and I would get one because they MUST give you a definite timing advantage ) and even though it would have to be paid for in instalments, would the company supplying the system, TAKE MY CLOCKS IN PART EXCHANGE ? or would I be left with £600 worth of pigeon clock on my hands.

If someone could answer my previous question from an earlier post, would the rings for the system be more expensive than the ones we use at present ? I would be most grateful.

[T_T]

Thanks Rose,

                     The ring price hurts !!