This Years Winners

[DJWa]

that's correct which in turn comes from the spruote lines look at black giants lines

is black giant a van wanroy alan

or is that a diff bird

[Guest Owen]

I don't believe that there are strains of racing pigeons so I disregarded that idea years ago. My pigeons have won well again this year in spite of the fact that I had to miss the early races of both young birds and old birds. I pair mine up on their performances and their breeding. My favourite birds are hens that have won several races as youngsters from fathers that have won races. Since I have been doing things this way my birds have matured earlier and whereas one or two birds would win these days any one of them can do well. The birds that won this week were different than the ones that have won previous races and that is my usual pattern. Due to the fact that any one of my birds can show up to win I am less affected by things like clashing because if a bird is delayed there is usually another there to take it's place.

I think that people complicate things far too much when they introduce theories, strains and complicated feeding and medication. Pigeon racing is simple if you want to keep it simple. I use the simplest racing system possible by keeping my cocks celibate and not involving the hens. I keep my birds on deep litter and only clean out once a year. And I only breed from my stock birds during the season and I part them so that I do not have unwanted late breds to give me extra work and expense. I don't exercise my birds around the loft but train them from 10 miles most days which gets me away from the falcon problems we have around here. And the goshawk is taking birds from near the local lofts but mine are not exposed outside the loft for more than a couple of minutes because they are dropping in from training and trapping very quickly which means that the goshawk has very little time to grab one.

[eastcoaster]

I don't believe that there are strains of racing pigeons so I disregarded that idea years ago. My pigeons have won well again this year in spite of the fact that I had to miss the early races of both young birds and old birds. I pair mine up on their performances and their breeding. My favourite birds are hens that have won several races as youngsters from fathers that have won races. Since I have been doing things this way my birds have matured earlier and whereas one or two birds would win these days any one of them can do well. The birds that won this week were different than the ones that have won previous races and that is my usual pattern. Due to the fact that any one of my birds can show up to win I am less affected by things like clashing because if a bird is delayed there is usually another there to take it's place.

I think that people complicate things far too much when they introduce theories, strains and complicated feeding and medication. Pigeon racing is simple if you want to keep it simple. I use the simplest racing system possible by keeping my cocks celibate and not involving the hens. I keep my birds on deep litter and only clean out once a year. And I only breed from my stock birds during the season and I part them so that I do not have unwanted late breds to give me extra work and expense. I don't exercise my birds around the loft but train them from 10 miles most days which gets me away from the falcon problems we have around here. And the goshawk is taking birds from near the local lofts but mine are not exposed outside the loft for more than a couple of minutes because they are dropping in from training and trapping very quickly which means that the goshawk has very little time to grab one.

 

Hi Owen

You are obviously a very talented and knowledgable fancier and would love to try your systems on celibate but here in Scotland I think the hens would be wasted on this system as we get a lot of differing conditions on race days also me personally am aiming at our distance racing and my position in the west section is very difficult for the birds , I am not saying the celibate won't work but 9/10 would be natural I think . And I agree there are no strains anymore if ever but we all use them as a guide I think .

[BLACK W F]

is black giant a van wanroy alan

or is that a diff bird

yes it is they are all

arden based there are very few sons or daughters off it now

[andy]

Stock from Gorgie Brig. After this year think maybe a cross from the distillery might work well!

[Guest stb-]

Hi Owen

You are obviously a very talented and knowledgable fancier and would love to try your systems on celibate but here in Scotland I think the hens would be wasted on this system as we get a lot of differing conditions on race days also me personally am aiming at our distance racing and my position in the west section is very difficult for the birds , I am not saying the celibate won't work but 9/10 would be natural I think . And I agree there are no strains anymore if ever but we all use them as a guide I think .

colin your racing would go from 60 miles to 500 over a 10 weeks period

and i think owen said before he races sprint to the coast 180 miles .

 

you wouldnt have many races to go too up to 180 miles as the distance is progresive every week , celibate might work but the feeding would certainly be different also for your longer distance birds you would not be wanting them in top form early in season .

[eastcoaster]

yes the southwells are small just look at mini mouse I have a son of boomarange 2 off true grit and ronnies boy and 1 off minni mouse

they cross well with the ardens :emoticon-0167-beer:

Do you have a lot of luck with them ?

 

colin your racing would go from 60 miles to 500 over a 10 weeks period

and i think owen said before he races sprint to the coast 180 miles .

 

you wouldnt have many races to go too up to 180 miles as the distance is progresive every week , celibate might work but the feeding would certainly be different also for your longer distance birds you would not be wanting them in top form early in season .

That is what I was thinking but it sounds tempting lol.

[Guest stb-]

Do you have a lot of luck with them ?

you only need luck with mickey mouse

[eastcoaster]

you only need luck with mickey mouse

Prefer Minnie lol.

 

Stock from Gorgie Brig. After this year think maybe a cross from the distillery might work well!

Nothing good comes oot gorgie , lol

[BLACK W F]

Do you have a lot of luck with them ?

 

 

That is what I was thinking but it sounds tempting lol.

not had them long but they are showing some promise

[Guest Owen]

eastcoaster

as stb has said I am a sprinter first and last and my methods of feeding and my patterns of racing are geared around sprinting. My birds are from mainly sprint based families such as Lambrecht and to be honest they are good at what they do. However, I have been experimenting with some van Rijn based birds I have here to see how they cope with longer distances.

They have been marvellous and exceeded my expectations. 4 Yearling celibate hens did well from Saintes and I let them down by not being on the ball with the clock, I won all the positions from Carentan and 5 from 6 from Chale where people lost most if not all their pigeons. I also won 3rd and 4th National from Littlehampton on a hard day.

The benefit of my Celibate system is that with a little bit of alteration to the feeding and instead of sending birds to every race as I do now select the races to send to I am sure I can win overseas big time.

A word about hens. As anyone from this area can tell you I have some very good hens and they do well as youngsters even though they don't race after. One of the strengths of my team are the hens because I have birds that are winners themselves bred from winning fathers, mothers and sisters to winning brothers. What more could you want as birds to select from to be future breeders? My youngsters are all bred from winning parents and they get better every year.

I will be flying the channel with a team Celibate Cocks next year and they will be handled different from the sprinters. Where you and I might be different is that I do not think I have to have numbers to win races so the fact that half my pigeons are sitting in an aviary does not worry me at all. As I see it my job is to win races and develop the best team of racing pigeons I can. I try to keep things simple and try to concentrate my efforts on the racing team rather than work hard with birds that do not need my attentions as I would be doing if I messed about with roundabout or natural.

I hope that by taking on channel racing next year I do not spoil my sprint team by stretching myself too thinly.

[REDROCKET]

Whiteford Family, won the LSC Breeder/Buyer with it....

very good post john

[walterboswell59]

6 firsts 7 seconds 6 birds scoring in newbury national 7 in maidstone national 2 in ypres national and 3 in clermont national 521 miles the 1st being 11th open 18 national tickets in totall with louella jan aardens the best birds ive ever had

sorry just rememberd its was 6 firsts and 8 seconds for got i was 2nd open fed as well

[JohnQuinn]

sorry just rememberd its was 6 firsts and 8 seconds for got i was 2nd open fed as well

 

Excellent results Watty ........Ain't many fanciers in the Fed can put a season like that together.

[C WRIGHT]

This was my first year flying and started with young birds

Rather than go for strains i purchased birds from proven lofts at local sales as well as being gifted birds from top distance flyers

 

i had a good start with results

kelso 2nd club 5th w section

sedgefield 1st and 2nd clab 3rd w section

ripon 1st 2nd 4th club 2nd 4th 7th w section

wakefield 1st 2nd 3rd 4th club 8th w section 97th open

yb national 7 out of 9 returns timing in at 19. 21pm and 20.09 pm

 

only thing now is dont know what am going to do at weekend now haha

[ALF]

I've already lost my only winner this year mind you he left behind a few quid after winning the west club and pool money 2 weeks in a row in the club :egyptian:

[Guest Hey Presto]

This was my first year flying and started with young birds

Rather than go for strains i purchased birds from proven lofts at local sales as well as being gifted birds from top distance flyers

 

i had a good start with results

kelso 2nd club 5th w section

sedgefield 1st and 2nd clab 3rd w section

ripon 1st 2nd 4th club 2nd 4th 7th w section

wakefield 1st 2nd 3rd 4th club 8th w section 97th open

yb national 7 out of 9 returns timing in at 19. 21pm and 20.09 pm

 

only thing now is dont know what am going to do at weekend now haha

keep it going well done pal all the best for next year

[walterboswell59]

do what i do m8 plan your matings for next year and well done to you

[walterboswell59]

I've already lost my only winner this year mind you he left behind a few quid after winning the west club and pool money 2 weeks in a row in the club :egyptian:

youll breed more next year alan m8 just dont listen to vince lol

[Pego]

This was my first year flying and started with young birds

Rather than go for strains i purchased birds from proven lofts at local sales as well as being gifted birds from top distance flyers

 

i had a good start with results

kelso 2nd club 5th w section

sedgefield 1st and 2nd clab 3rd w section

ripon 1st 2nd 4th club 2nd 4th 7th w section

wakefield 1st 2nd 3rd 4th club 8th w section 97th open

yb national 7 out of 9 returns timing in at 19. 21pm and 20.09 pm

 

only thing now is dont know what am going to do at weekend now haha

 

Well done great start to your doo racing career keep up the top results.

[REDROCKET]

This was my first year flying and started with young birds

Rather than go for strains i purchased birds from proven lofts at local sales as well as being gifted birds from top distance flyers

 

i had a good start with results

kelso 2nd club 5th w section

sedgefield 1st and 2nd clab 3rd w section

ripon 1st 2nd 4th club 2nd 4th 7th w section

wakefield 1st 2nd 3rd 4th club 8th w section 97th open

yb national 7 out of 9 returns timing in at 19. 21pm and 20.09 pm

 

only thing now is dont know what am going to do at weekend now haha

Best reply so far top class keep it up and don't move house any where near me lol.

[blucock]

12 x 1sts for us this year 3 of them fed wins there was a spread of winners one cock who is from a Janssen/VDB sire and a Carlin Bros hen had 3 wins - Another Carlin cock had 1 x1st and 2 x 2nd showing some promise (yearling) we topped the fed with a daughter of a Gson of our good cock "Carrerra" (VDB) (4th direct generation to win for us from him) and the dam being a full sister to Terry McGeechans "The Prince", another fed topper was from van Heuvel lines and the other from a full brother to J&D Staddon's Shapway Star (many 1sts right out to Barcelona) paired to a gdtr of Pau Int winner bred by Karel Guenther. Another Carlin Bros cock had 2 wins and other cards. A daughter of our '11 son of Turbo UK (vdb) was 2nd club 3rd fed and 2nd club 8th fed at the last 2 YB races - her dam is a Gerry Clements yearling.

[Guest stb-]

youll breed more next year alan m8 just dont listen to vince lol

aye yer right there walter fpmsl

[REDROCKET]

12 x 1sts for us this year 3 of them fed wins there was a spread of winners one cock who is from a Janssen/VDB sire and a Carlin Bros hen had 3 wins - Another Carlin cock had 1 x1st and 2 x 2nd showing some promise (yearling) we topped the fed with a daughter of a Gson of our good cock "Carrerra" (VDB) (4th direct generation to win for us from him) and the dam being a full sister to Terry McGeechans "The Prince", another fed topper was from van Heuvel lines and the other from a full brother to J&D Staddon's Shapway Star (many 1sts right out to Barcelona) paired to a gdtr of Pau Int winner bred by Karel Guenther. Another Carlin Bros cock had 2 wins and other cards. A daughter of our '11 son of Turbo UK (vdb) was 2nd club 3rd fed and 2nd club 8th fed at the last 2 YB races - her dam is a Gerry Clements yearling.

Got to be good loft management when doing so well with different birds

[walterboswell59]

12 x 1sts for us this year 3 of them fed wins there was a spread of winners one cock who is from a Janssen/VDB sire and a Carlin Bros hen had 3 wins - Another Carlin cock had 1 x1st and 2 x 2nd showing some promise (yearling) we topped the fed with a daughter of a Gson of our good cock "Carrerra" (VDB) (4th direct generation to win for us from him) and the dam being a full sister to Terry McGeechans "The Prince", another fed topper was from van Heuvel lines and the other from a full brother to J&D Staddon's Shapway Star (many 1sts right out to Barcelona) paired to a gdtr of Pau Int winner bred by Karel Guenther. Another Carlin Bros cock had 2 wins and other cards. A daughter of our '11 son of Turbo UK (vdb) was 2nd club 3rd fed and 2nd club 8th fed at the last 2 YB races - her dam is a Gerry Clements yearling.

great flying blue cock