Ets... Are You For It Or Against

[Blue Chequer Pied]

It's a god send for me as my shifts change etc and sometimes can't be there to time in

 

 

Also the pigeons much prefer it......I ruined two yearlings that were coming well for me with catching them in a stall trap everyweek they ended up taking ten to 15 minutes every time they landed after usually being the first pigeon back for me

 

It is the same for me George, I work weekends. The world is a different place now and not everyone works Mon-Fri. For me ETS is brilliant and my advice to those who don't like it would be don't use it but let those that do want to use it get on with it.

[Guest Owen]

It is people with old fashioned ideas that are killing our sport. A couple of local Fanciers were telling me that they didn't want to win because they enjoyed seeing their pigeons come home. These same people don't like ETS because they think it is expensive and they say that clocking manually is part of the sport. One of these gallant heroes turned up at the Club last week with pigeons full of food and got upset when someone told him that he shouldn't do it. Apparently he has been in the sort for tens of years and thinks that he knows it all because of his years of experience. He was an hour behind the winner and looked disappointed because he expected to do much better. I later heard that he had lost a lot of pigeons.

OK we are all entitled to our opinions but these same people lose loads of pigeons every year and most years they have to stop flying because they run out of pigeons. They rarely get into the top 6 in the Club but they have plenty to say.

I often think that it would be a good thing to send these stupid people off to join their own Club and let them carry on while those of us who want to look after our birds properly and try to modernise things can get on with it without having to listen to the grumblings of these fools.

ETS is here to stay thank goodness but we really have to get a grip of the Suppliers before they get carried away any more with their prices.

[DJWa]

It is people with old fashioned ideas that are killing our sport. A couple of local Fanciers were telling me that they didn't want to win because they enjoyed seeing their pigeons come home. These same people don't like ETS because they think it is expensive and they say that clocking manually is part of the sport. One of these gallant heroes turned up at the Club last week with pigeons full of food and got upset when someone told him that he shouldn't do it. Apparently he has been in the sort for tens of years and thinks that he knows it all because of his years of experience. He was an hour behind the winner and looked disappointed because he expected to do much better. I later heard that he had lost a lot of pigeons.

OK we are all entitled to our opinions but these same people lose loads of pigeons every year and most years they have to stop flying because they run out of pigeons. They rarely get into the top 6 in the Club but they have plenty to say.

I often think that it would be a good thing to send these stupid people off to join their own Club and let them carry on while those of us who want to look after our birds properly and try to modernise things can get on with it without having to listen to the grumblings of these fools.

ETS is here to stay thank goodness but we really have to get a grip of the Suppliers before they get carried away any more with their prices.

lots of points here owen

1st these fanciers are the lifes blood of the sport they far outnumber the out an out winners

they are there to enjoy their pigeons and winning a card is a bonus

without them the sport is dead

with that in mind they are not interested in using ets ,why would they they are there for the fun of it

which a lot of us have seemed to forgotten about in the quest to win at all costs

so in the end who are the so called fools

 

as to looking after their birds properly

look at it this way-

if the birds hit trouble the heavily fed birds have the back up energy to come home

as the ones sent empty will struggle

ok they wont win short races, if healthy and fit should come home though

[BLACK W F]

any one who puts birds away stuffed with corn is bang out of order that's how all the crap goes round as those birds will spew up and other birds pick it up that's problems started JMO

[DJWa]

any one who puts birds away stuffed with corn is bang out of order that's how all the crap goes round as those birds will spew up and other birds pick it up that's problems started JMO

 

seperate crates alan

some clubs already do this

 

birds fed a light feed early on the morning of basketing will still spew up in the crates

and if you don't feed them on basketing day then they could be 48 hours without a feed

[BLACK W F]

seperate crates alan

some clubs already do this

read your SHU rules Davey all birds are supposed to be shared round the crates

[greenlands]

KILLING the Sport,Not ETS,not BOP,have a look at this did you get your money's worth,don't think so.

I have ETS bought it myself,the best thing I ever done both for me and the birds.

 

 

Picked this little gem up off another site.

Raptor Alliance.expletive remove.

 

 

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Travel and meetings - 2547.78

Public relations - 28876.54

Photography - 1080.00

Legal fees - 00 lol

No8 chambers - 3000.00

Knights - 5000.00

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Total expenditure - £44385.49

 

 

WOW WEE. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[DJWa]

read your SHU rules Davey all birds are supposed to be shared round the crates

 

I know this alan but some still do

[BLACK W F]

I know this alan but some still do

I well last season a guy was told by me if he brought his young ins down like that again they where not going in the same crate as mine in front of the rest of the club he new the score after that

[Guest chad3646]

seperate crates alan

some clubs already do this

 

birds fed a light feed early on the morning of basketing will still spew up in the crates

and if you don't feed them on basketing day then they could be 48 hours without a feed

 

 

djwa you say birds fed a light feed in the morning will still spew up seed in the crates

 

you then say if you dont feed them on basketing day it will be 48 hours without a feed

 

so what do you do?

[DJWa]

djwa you say birds fed a light feed in the morning will still spew up seed in the crates

 

you then say if you dont feed them on basketing day it will be 48 hours without a feed

 

so what do you do?

just have to feed light on the morning of basketing imo

then again some clubs have to basket in the morning

so your damned if you do and damned if you don't

 

remember birds held over at a race point are fed in the crates

which most feds usually get at least once a year

 

separate crates is the answer if it was allowed

[JADE]

read your SHU rules Davey all birds are supposed to be shared round the crates

 

Which rule is that? Not heard that one before

[Ian McKay]

Which rule is that? Not heard that one before

 

 

SHU rule 52 Page 90 :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Proposed Bwf

Seconded Bwf

 

Passed 17 08 2013 :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[BLACK W F]

SHU rule 52 Page 90 :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Proposed Bwf

Seconded Bwf

 

Passed 17 08 2013 :emoticon-0179-headbang:

and 3rd how many u get back today no porkies

 

just have to feed light on the morning of basketing imo

then again some clubs have to basket in the morning

so your damned if you do and damned if you don't

 

remember birds held over at a race point are fed in the crates

which most feds usually get at least once a year

 

separate crates is the answer if it was allowed

but it aint

[Ian McKay]

and 3rd how many u get back today no porkies More than you

 

 

but it aint

 

 

Sorry thought this was about made up rules or ETS not the price of Tatties

[BLACK W F]

Sorry thought this was about made up rules or ETS not the price of Tatties

only got 1 today other 8 yesterday come on now no hiding

[hotrod]

I was def against it ,but got a unicon system now or 2/3 years yes it's great ,but has its issues ,price of rings for one , batteries , codes during race season , spoke with a top tip fancier a few weeks back about ets, and how t makes us lazy re ring numbers , when writing out a race sheet colour sex. You get to know each pigeon. And on return from race you mark it's number down again , but with ets most haven't a clue a what birds what ,unless they win of course .

[geordie1234]

I was def against it ,but got a unicon system now or 2/3 years yes it's great ,but has its issues ,price of rings for one , batteries , codes during race season , spoke with a top tip fancier a few weeks back about ets, and how t makes us lazy re ring numbers , when writing out a race sheet colour sex. You get to know each pigeon. And on return from race you mark it's number down again , but with ets most haven't a clue a what birds what ,unless they win of course .

Can agree with you there Stuart regarding knowing the pigeons......for the old bird season it got to a point I could write my sheet out without looking at a pigeon I knew exactly what was what......but on the ets front I still transfer my print out into my book and what position to the loft they were......pro's and con's both sides but for me at the moment the ets wins the arguement

[dms5686]

I well last season a guy was told by me if he brought his young ins down like that again they where not going in the same crate as mine in front of the rest of the club he new the score after that

 

There are no rules on how you feed your doos before a race

[Ian McKay]

There are no rules on how you feed your doos before a race

 

 

SHU rule 51 Page 99

 

Proposed by Bwf

Seconded by Bwf

 

Passed 17 08 2013 :emoticon-0136-giggle: :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[geordie1234]

I well last season a guy was told by me if he brought his young ins down like that again they where not going in the same crate as mine in front of the rest of the club he new the score after that

[Guest stb-]

any one who puts birds away stuffed with corn is bang out of order that's how all the crap goes round as those birds will spew up and other birds pick it up that's problems started JMO

Thats not neccesary true , the baskett handlers in my club will tell you my young birds are always full crop at the club for marking as i give them full feed 2hrs before basketting . One thing they dont do is spew up in the basket as they are also feed a half feed before a training toss so are well used to it . They also do ok asweel :emoticon-0157-sun:

[Guest Owen]

Well I agree that many of the older people in the sport could be regarded as the life blood of the sport but when they say that they love their birds and just want to see them come home and make sure they give the birds a heavy feed before they go off, I doubt after so many years that they have learned anything. Birds that are fed heavily before basketing are a menace to the birds in the crate with them because they spew up and spread their infections far and wide. I reckon that these people don't like ETS because they will be expected to learn something new when they install the system. They would rather grab the birds to take the ring off risking scaring the bird half to death so that the next time the bird gets home it will make for the roof and sit there until they feel safe to drop into the loft. One of these so called pigeon lovers admits he does not train his birds and usually misses the first races for one reason or another and ends up by sending the birds to the longer races only to lose them. Some pigeon lover.

I reckon that if the sport is to survive it will be the dynamic Fanciers who embrace the new technology and learn about the best techniques of getting the best from their birds that will do it. Another guy near here has lost most of his youngsters so he has decided to rear latebreds as replacements. The earlier birds were lost in fly-aways caused by the fact he kept them in until they were really strong and just took off never to be seen again. The guy concerned has had pigeons for more than 60 years but still behaves like a novice. I believe that pigeons that are healthy and trained properly will always show themselves in the results from time to time. Conversely, birds that are regularly lost and are always behind are probably managed by idiots. Sorry to be provocative but I truly believe that in spite of the fact we need numbers of Fanciers to help with the finances to keep the Clubs going we also need people with energy and enthusiasm because we simply can not live in the past.

[William Reid]

Well I agree that many of the older people in the sport could be regarded as the life blood of the sport but when they say that they love their birds and just want to see them come home and make sure they give the birds a heavy feed before they go off, I doubt after so many years that they have learned anything. Birds that are fed heavily before basketing are a menace to the birds in the crate with them because they spew up and spread their infections far and wide. I reckon that these people don't like ETS because they will be expected to learn something new when they install the system. They would rather grab the birds to take the ring off risking scaring the bird half to death so that the next time the bird gets home it will make for the roof and sit there until they feel safe to drop into the loft. One of these so called pigeon lovers admits he does not train his birds and usually misses the first races for one reason or another and ends up by sending the birds to the longer races only to lose them. Some pigeon lover.

I reckon that if the sport is to survive it will be the dynamic Fanciers who embrace the new technology and learn about the best techniques of getting the best from their birds that will do it. Another guy near here has lost most of his youngsters so he has decided to rear latebreds as replacements. The earlier birds were lost in fly-aways caused by the fact he kept them in until they were really strong and just took off never to be seen again. The guy concerned has had pigeons for more than 60 years but still behaves like a novice. I believe that pigeons that are healthy and trained properly will always show themselves in the results from time to time. Conversely, birds that are regularly lost and are always behind are probably managed by idiots. Sorry to be provocative but I truly believe that in spite of the fact we need numbers of Fanciers to help with the finances to keep the Clubs going we also need people with energy and enthusiasm because we simply can not live in the past.

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[Guest paulrstokes]

And me.

 

When we first got it they told us that we got a free club kit. After a year or two they then told us it was on loan and to use it we need to contact them for codes each year. I assume then if something goes wrong with the club kit they will replace it free of charge seeing as it is theirs and not ours. Got to look on the bright side.

 

Beware of this, as it is on loan it is reccomenned that you join their "club" at a cost of £75 per annum, if not and the club system breaks then you may incur full cost.

 

Amazing how it was given free, then on loan, now break it if you dare???