Changes, If Any, We Want In The Snfc ?

[walterboswell59]

Big phil has definitely a different style but is a good guy although i do hope he does stop with the sectional changes! After last year we had no time to discuss any other issues! who would do the job though which involves been under constant scrutiny and criticism from the membership hence the lack of numbers on the committee and marking stations.

i was told he was the reason half the the comitee would not stand again and it was a comitee man that told me so theres deff a problem some where andfrom what i seen phil maybe a nice guy but he s lost the plot and turning the members against him

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Here We Go

 

Open Race

Way to reconciliation

The creation of a second National club in Scotland was a good thing, a demonstration of the talent and drive that is out there when the feeling is strong enough, while at the same time being detrimental to the pigeon fraternity in Scotland. Divided at a time when it was imperative we stood together.

The reasons for this split, are many fold, and complicated. In addition to this those involved on both sides were at the time doing all the right things, for all the wrong reasons. The character’s involved it this, and reasons for their stance point, should be left in the past. Thus it could be argued most, if not all involved, felt they were doing the right thing at that time.

Putting these events in the past, and working together again in order to reverse decisions made on both sides, will indeed be difficult to say the least. It will take men from both sides to listen to what the fancier wants. Once the men at the top get a mandate from the fanciers throughout Scotland, in a referendum type vote. Amalgamation or status Que.

It will be there duty to for fill the wishes of the fancy. There will be those, out there feel this is taking it to Far I wholly disagree, as our future as a sport may depend upon this. However the main reason for this Referendum, is it lets those involved, take a step back, no longer will they have to support colours they tied to the mast in the past. Decision taken out of their hands. Now each side can have their say before this, however all must agree one thing, the result of such a referendum would be binding and accepted by all. Put the decision in the hands of the fancier, it’s their sport, and there future, that’s is at stake.

Who then do we mean by the fancier, there will be those that will argue only members of each national organisations should be entitled to a vote, this would suit some, and be wrong. Due to the fact that this vote will dictate which union fanciers in Scotland would be in, this referendum must be open to all fanciers in Scotland?

Let’s put both arguments, and ask the fanciers what they want, by an individual one man one vote, or one loft one vote Clubs seem to have done this when it first happened, and voted with their feet. Let’s not make the same mistake again.

(Not by clubs)

Yes

One National Club in Scotland Or

No

 

 

Sorry and there is more

Open Race

To coincide with commonwealth Games in Scotland

2014

Race to be financially supported by way of

1. Sales from within the fancy (Race Cost expenditure)

 

2. Pigeon Lottery ,Run monthly (Prize Money)

 

3. Sponsorship from Local and National companies, and Organisations (None Money Prizes)

 

 

Race should be free at point of entry (birds Limited)

Every loft in Scotland to have the right to participate (Open)

This is the kind of thing the fanciers wants, and should be worked on going forward.

Other things to consider

Discussions about Inclusion of some form of break formula

Pre-designated handlers and helpers

Postal vote used for delegates positions

The Secretary of such an organisation should be employed

(This brings accountability)

Please note this is done for the reconciliation of the two national organisations, and not an argument, for the creation of a third.

 

[Henrik]

Aye and if you think Im going to just forget about the theft of my money and transporter and just roll over and get my belly rubbed you have another think coming, you obviously were not involved in the split and didnt get left with even as much as a rubber ring. As long as my butt hole points down I,ll never sit at a table with these men.

[geordie1234]

Would someone like to tell me what actually happened in the split pm me if you wish

[gulkie]

There's ur answer from Henric.George.surly u don't have to like or dislike

Someone to fly against them ,I would have thought it would have made it that much

Sweeter beating them????? OMO.

[Guest bigda]

Aye and if you think Im going to just forget about the theft of my money and transporter and just roll over and get my belly rubbed you have another think coming, you obviously were not involved in the split and didnt get left with even as much as a rubber ring. As long as my butt hole points down I,ll never sit at a table with these men.

 

 

bobby thats the old way the new way should be give all the members that are registered with the Shu and if they decide to join then the transport get put into the

use of the national.

[Henrik]

bobby thats the old way the new way should be give all the members that are registered with the Shu and if they decide to join then the transport get put into the

use of the national.

Danny you lot are fine in the Lanarkshire, you never lost anything as the majority were sticking with the SHU, we had a meeting and while we were at the meetin they had others steal all our stuff from the HQ tried everything to get it back apart from spending 10k or so the go to court, even tried to egt the RPRA Pres Blacklock to help us but he wasnt interested, he was getting more votes to get elected, I have a pile of letters 6 inches deep between him and me. And if Jim O,Hara had his way at the National AGM that year when he let the suspended members sit and vote I would probably be breeding peregrines and releasing them around, Dunbar Co,Path and Tranent instead of keeping pigeons. These so called men should have been put out the sport for good instead of which they are still racing and winning with the Suspended National Racing Pigeon Club. So really dont need you or anyone else saying we should let bygones be bygones cos its just no gonna happen.

[Delboy]

losing the topic here

[JADE]

would love to see unity in national racing but it ain't going to happen.so on that basis for purely selfish reasons I would value a west coast continental club if supported more than eighter national club

 

so why don't some of you form one. theres enough of you who know the answers to everything. simple fact is you wouldn't agree for five minutes so it`ll never get off the ground. you cannae even agree which route to fly yer doos for more than half a season.

[Henrik]

losing the topic here

Aye agreed Del, but gets my blood up when folk talk about joining up who no nothing about the depth of hurt there still is here, enough said lets get back to the topic, I would like to see 2 committee members from Lanarkshire, Big Gareth and either John Quinn again or yourself Derek.

[Guest IB]

There has been a lot of division in pigeon racing, not only here in Scotland. IMO it must be the single biggest factor that holds the sport back. Next year, 2014, is the centenary of World War 1. At the outbreak of WW1, Britain unlike its Allies, didn't have a National Pigeon Service. When restrictions were first proposed on pigeon fanciers keeping racing pigeons in Britain, they responded by donating the best they had - 100,000 birds - to the war effort during those 5 years, and the National Pigeon Service was born. The rest as they say, is history.

 

The SNFC has been asked to organise an International Race from Ypres in 2014 to mark the centenary. It is a daunting task given the plethora of clubs, federations, combines, amals etc in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland, and all presently doing their own thing for different reasons. Everyone setting divisions aside, and entering this race is a chance to emulate the unity of those long-ago fanciers, mark the role played by pigeons and their keepers in war, and remember the many British & Commonwealth troops who lost their lives in the conflict. I'm sure today's fanciers are capable of mustering 100,000 pigeons. Make it happen once and it could become an annual event.

[alec guinness]

There has been a lot of division in pigeon racing, not only here in Scotland. IMO it must be the single biggest factor that holds the sport back. Next year, 2014, is the centenary of World War 1. At the outbreak of WW1, Britain unlike its Allies, didn't have a National Pigeon Service. When restrictions were first proposed on pigeon fanciers keeping racing pigeons in Britain, they responded by donating the best they had - 100,000 birds - to the war effort during those 5 years, and the National Pigeon Service was born. The rest as they say, is history.

 

The SNFC has been asked to organise an International Race from Ypres in 2014 to mark the centenary. It is a daunting task given the plethora of clubs, federations, combines, amals etc in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland, and all presently doing their own thing for different reasons. Everyone setting divisions aside, and entering this race is a chance to emulate the unity of those long-ago fanciers, mark the role played by pigeons and their keepers in war, and remember the many British & Commonwealth troops who lost their lives in the conflict. I'm sure today's fanciers are capable of mustering 100,000 pigeons. Make it happen once and it could become an annual event.

Good post from a hard working national committee man.

[VMS]

so why don't some of you form one. theres enough of you who know the answers to everything. simple fact is you wouldn't agree for five minutes so it`ll never get off the ground. you cannae even agree which route to fly yer doos for more than half a season.

Your having a laugh there isnae any racing pigeon organisation in the country that can agree on everthing.

[just ask me]

lets keep it to topic lads i understand that some topics can get under your skin and make your blood boil

 

 

but its been a great read well done to all

[JADE]

Your having a laugh there isnae any racing pigeon organisation in the country that can agree on everthing.

 

I know but the only thing the west can agree on is (they think) it is easy in the east

[VMS]

I know but the only thing the west can agree on is (they think) it is easy in the east

Not easy just easier than the west :lol:

[BLACK W F]

There has been a lot of division in pigeon racing, not only here in Scotland. IMO it must be the single biggest factor that holds the sport back. Next year, 2014, is the centenary of World War 1. At the outbreak of WW1, Britain unlike its Allies, didn't have a National Pigeon Service. When restrictions were first proposed on pigeon fanciers keeping racing pigeons in Britain, they responded by donating the best they had - 100,000 birds - to the war effort during those 5 years, and the National Pigeon Service was born. The rest as they say, is history.

 

The SNFC has been asked to organise an International Race from Ypres in 2014 to mark the centenary. It is a daunting task given the plethora of clubs, federations, combines, amals etc in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland, and all presently doing their own thing for different reasons. Everyone setting divisions aside, and entering this race is a chance to emulate the unity of those long-ago fanciers, mark the role played by pigeons and their keepers in war, and remember the many British & Commonwealth troops who lost their lives in the conflict. I'm sure today's fanciers are capable of mustering 100,000 pigeons. Make it happen once and it could become an annual event.

DONT USUALLY AGREE WITH YOU IAN BUT MUST SAY YOU NEVER POSTED A BETTER OR TRUER POST IF WE DONT UNITE OUR SPORT WILL DIE SOME TIMES ITS BETTER TO BURY THE HATCHET FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL JMO

[tiger]

Could we discuss what changes we think would make the SNFC the best racing organisation in the UK, the accolade it once had.

Ill start it,with what I think would help things.

 

1. Total Security, a sub committee that deals with this contoversial subject.

2. Total transparency,accounts made available to all SNFC members with break down of all income/expenditure.

3. Modern website, photos, write ups , averages, ace pigeons, overall member performances etc.

4. Central marking at channel races, out lying places would have pigeons ferried in by appointed drivers who would be subsidised for this.

5. A wee bit radical here but I still say an invention of a breaking point plus fatigue factor formula.

6. A paid transport manager that is answerable only to the members.( he/she is completely responsible for all transportation/convoyers etc )

7. The Secretarys position to be made part time or paid pro rata on membership, ie £8- £10 a member.

8. Hand picked respected workers for marking stations.We have anybody handling the birds now which is very amateurish and away from tradition.

 

 

no1 SECURTIY I still think a former member is still pulling strings ? but he should remember that his case is still open after speaking 2 the police this can still be revisited you have been WARNED

[geordie1234]

no1 SECURTIY I still think a former member is still pulling strings ? but he should remember that his case is still open after speaking 2 the police this can still be revisited you have been WARNED

Who's the said member?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I'm one of people who feel there should be no inland races at all in the national programme, in saying this I think the SNRPC 2013 program is spot on when talking in terms of the present day.

 

I for one would propose this programme without alterations, except perhaps Billericay and Peterborough open to duplication. If it was passed you'd think with a need for two transporters going from the same place, to the same place at the same time some sort of joint convoying agreement could be reached and both clubs could keep their own identities and fly under their own terms.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

So back to my question one national or two ?

[Guest stb-]

So back to my question one national or two ?

1 2 3 oleary

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Aye and if you think Im going to just forget about the theft of my money and transporter and just roll over and get my belly rubbed you have another think coming, you obviously were not involved in the split and didnt get left with even as much as a rubber ring. As long as my butt hole points down I,ll never sit at a table with these men.

 

 

I had a girl friend that broke my heart wh4en I was 16, it was bad, but I grew up, and got over it.

 

You my friend the same all everyone get one vote make it count.

 

1 2 3 oleary

 

 

Whats your thought Rab

[geordie1234]

it's no going to change let's face it i've seen the same conversations the last three years

 

if members really want something done they need to stop sending im pretty sure something would be done quick style

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Geordie u got a point mate