Snfc Transportation For 2013

[knoxjn]

cant believe some of these posts how can you openly critisise a geraldy when you have never had your birds on one

[lanarkshire lad]

Thats you putting human feelings into it Jade.I was of the very same opinion when I first saw the Geraldy crates myself. Ive heard all this about shavings etc and now I think what a load of c..p.How many of us have our pigeons lie about on shavings in the loft.They stand/balance on perches all night.This must be uncomfortable for them, lol.

 

 

 

Corrugated cardboard Jim.

And after a holdover do you not have any problems with the pigeons feet being matted with sh**?

[Delboy]

And after a holdover do you not have any problems with the pigeons feet being matted with sh**?

 

Ive never experienced that Jim, feet usually clean.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Ive had my birds in both for several years.Everything is to do with how many birds go in a basket/crate.With the Snfc, they have fewer birds in the basket so I would say it doesnt make a great difference. However,Geraldy unquestionably has a better watering system for the birds and this is imperative at long distance races. I am not part of any fed so I have an unbias opinion, GERALDY 100% for me.

 

Thank your for the honest reply Derek

 

cant believe some of these posts how can you openly critisise a geraldy when you have never had your birds on one

 

I'm sorry if I've come across as critical of Geraldy.If people are happy to send in them and believe its best for the welfare of their pigeons then great.Its the crates that put me off.

 

What puts me off even more is the attitude of some fanciers.When a good race is had,its very rare people comment on how good the transporation is.When it's a bad race from the same transporter all of sudden the transportation is un modern and a joke.

 

The race that really got the fanciers backs up was of course Cheltenham(Newbury).I believe the losses/patchy times and the conditions SOME fanciers birds returned in from this race are very simple to account for and it has nothing to do with the transporter the birds were in.

 

I think a lot of members are masking security issues with the birds welfare.What they really want is a different set up than we have now regardless, as they have/had suspicions over certain people.Of course we don't know who as they tend to speak in riddles and come the time when we were all looking forward to hearing the evidence and the solutions(SNFC AGM) this was not so much as even uttered.

[Guest Cawdy]

the only time me have went in geraldys was twice last year with the mid week clubs 2 open races and we had 100% returns and the birds were in great nick. and i can say the same racing in lanarkshires old transporter

 

i know its not much of a comparison (2 races vs 18) but surely the geraldy is an improvement than old manky baskets held together way duck tape and tie raps

[hotrod]

And after a holdover do you not have any problems with the pigeons feet being matted with sh**?

 

 

I have raced in Gerald'y crates for years now an now and again the birds feet are matted with sheite , if there is a small scattering of easy bed then its much better but this in turn affects the watering system , clogs it up . Birds condition coming from races ? Undoughtedly far better thn wicker ones , they seem fresher prob because they have better access to water .

[Delboy]

As I said before, its all down to how many birds you put in a crate/basket. Overcrowd them and it doesnt matter what transportation you use.

[dkj]

Ive had my birds in both for several years.Everything is to do with how many birds go in a basket/crate.With the Snfc, they have fewer birds in the basket so I would say it doesnt make a great difference. However,Geraldy unquestionably has a better watering system for the birds and this is imperative at long distance races. I am not part of any fed so I have an unbias opinion, GERALDY 100% for me.

 

wicker baskets for me

[lanarkshire lad]

I have raced in Gerald'y crates for years now an now and again the birds feet are matted with sheite , if there is a small scattering of easy bed then its much better but this in turn affects the watering system , clogs it up . Birds condition coming from races ? Undoughtedly far better thn wicker ones , they seem fresher prob because they have better access to water .

For me cardboard can only absorb so much moisture and the rest must adhere to the pigeons feet. I have limited experience with geraldy transporters but for me there would need to be some sort of bottoming in the baskets infact I would like to see some sort of heavy duty plastic grills incorporated inside these crates.

[Delboy]

Im led to believe that the LF Geraldys have a metal bar built into frame to stop shavings spilling over from the crates into the drinking system.This means you could have shavings or easy bed or anything you wanted in the crates.Good forward thinking from these guys .But I still think you only need corrugated cardboard jmho

[blue pied]

Geraldy any day for me, far easier to clean than wicker baskets. Geraldy watering system is also first class

[lanarkshire lad]

Im led to believe that the LF Geraldys have a metal bar built into frame to stop shavings spilling over from the crates into the drinking system.This means you could have shavings or easy bed or anything you wanted in the crates.Good forward thinking from these guys .But I still think you only need corrugated cardboard jmho

When the Lanarkshire pigeons were returned from carentan approx seven days in the baskets the pigeons were in great nick IMO BUT there was easy bed in the crates.

[Guest stb-]

if there was a way to give birds good access to water in wicker baskets

and to keep the shavings out of the drinkers it would be wicker and deep shavings for me anyday but with the good ventilation that geraldies have

[peter pandy]

I have 2 years experience racing from a Geraldy transporter with corrugated cardboard and never had a problem with the condition of the birds return even after holdovers.

I am however conscious of the safety aspect regarding wicker baskets having the horrible experience of a transporter fire and which I pray you never witness the devastation.

[lanarkshire lad]

I am very happy that we in Lanarkshire have new transporters which I think is great for us members BUT don't forget that from the old transporters we had many many good races with wicker baskets and shavings as bottoming when the pigeons lay down in the shavings on there long journey to the south of England and France. The point I am trying to make is the pigeons wellfair must come first and for me four days in an aluminium crate with NO BOTTOMING is a NO NO despite the fact that they have air conditioning.

[Delboy]

I am very happy that we in Lanarkshire have new transporters which I think is great for us members BUT don't forget that from the old transporters we had many many good races with wicker baskets and shavings as bottoming when the pigeons lay down in the shavings on there long journey to the south of England and France. The point I am trying to make is the pigeons wellfair must come first and for me four days in an aluminium crate with NO BOTTOMING is a NO NO despite the fact that they have air conditioning.

I know the Germans laugh at us putting shavings in, they put 2 layers of cardboard in crates for the longer races.As I said in my previous post, LF has bars put in so they can have shavings.

[lanarkshire lad]

I know the Germans laugh at us putting shavings in, they put 2 layers of cardboard in crates for the longer races.As I said in my previous post, LF has bars put in so they can have shavings.

The thing is are the Germans always right in what there doing?? When the pigeons from all over Europe go to Barcelona they don't all go with german specifications and the prize list is well spread out.

[Delboy]

Members are missing the benefits that Geraldy bring over the traditional methods of transportation that we have been using.Heres a few, 1.Shutters are ventilated to allow air in, while at the same time they are double insulated to keep the heat out when the sun hits the vehicle.2.Pigeons have far greater access to water as the crates arewider by 4 inches, at the same time ,less chance of disease spreading as crates have individual drinkers which limits cross contamination especially when in crates for 3-7 days.3.Pigeons dont have to eat food grain from soiled floors like wicker baskets as they can be fed within inserts in drinking cgannel.4. Roof has 6 inches of insulation, this again controls the heat within the vehicle.5.Roof has vents to allow stale hot air to leave. 6.Fans to help extract stale air. 7.Each crate has fresh air pumped into it.Theres other advantages but Im pi ssed off typing lol.Now when you consider all the letters in the BHW, is it not now time to give the best pigeons in Scotland, the best quality transportation available ?

[dkj]

Members are missing the benefits that Geraldy bring over the traditional methods of transportation that we have been using.Heres a few, 1.Shutters are ventilated to allow air in, while at the same time they are double insulated to keep the heat out when the sun hits the vehicle.2.Pigeons have far greater access to water as the crates arewider by 4 inches, at the same time ,less chance of disease spreading as crates have individual drinkers which limits cross contamination especially when in crates for 3-7 days.3.Pigeons dont have to eat food grain from soiled floors like wicker baskets as they can be fed within inserts in drinking cgannel.4. Roof has 6 inches of insulation, this again controls the heat within the vehicle.5.Roof has vents to allow stale hot air to leave. 6.Fans to help extract stale air. 7.Each crate has fresh air pumped into it.Theres other advantages but Im pi ssed off typing lol.Now when you consider all the letters in the BHW, is it not now time to give the best pigeons in Scotland, the best quality transportation available ?

 

most important thing is traditional methods have been working for 100 plus years

[Delboy]

most important thing is traditional methods have been working for 100 plus years

 

Throwing feeding onto sh ite, aye it worked but is it right?

[lanarkshire lad]

Members are missing the benefits that Geraldy bring over the traditional methods of transportation that we have been using.Heres a few, 1.Shutters are ventilated to allow air in, while at the same time they are double insulated to keep the heat out when the sun hits the vehicle.2.Pigeons have far greater access to water as the crates arewider by 4 inches, at the same time ,less chance of disease spreading as crates have individual drinkers which limits cross contamination especially when in crates for 3-7 days.3.Pigeons dont have to eat food grain from soiled floors like wicker baskets as they can be fed within inserts in drinking cgannel.4. Roof has 6 inches of insulation, this again controls the heat within the vehicle.5.Roof has vents to allow stale hot air to leave. 6.Fans to help extract stale air. 7.Each crate has fresh air pumped into it.Theres other advantages but Im pi ssed off typing lol.Now when you consider all the letters in the BHW, is it not now time to give the best pigeons in Scotland, the best quality transportation available ?

Derek if that was the case then all the pigeons transported in geraldy units to the European International races would have a huge advantage but the actual facts provide a totally different picture.

[dkj]

Throwing feeding onto sh ite, aye it worked but is it right?

 

one step at a time del, let the member decide at the agm 1st.

[Guest stb-]

Throwing feeding onto sh ite, aye it worked but is it right?

how do they get fed in the geraldies del ?

[Delboy]

Derek if that was the case then all the pigeons transported in geraldy units to the European International races would have a huge advantage but the actual facts provide a totally different picture.

 

Jim, its a transporter we are talking about.It doesnt make the doos better. You can have good doos in a wicker basket and bad doos in a Geraldy crate.The type of transporter wont change that.

 

how do they get fed in the geraldies del ?

 

The same way they are watered Rab.

 

one step at a time del, let the member decide at the agm 1st.

 

 

????????????????? we had the AGM LOL

[walterboswell59]

del must just have been ma doos that were coming home choking for a drinkafterbeing in baskets for a day or two