Snfc Breeding Stud

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Had a wee think about how the SNFC could raise some funds.

 

How does a Scottish National Flying Club stud sound??

 

Perhaps as an alternative to the latebred sale if each season's succesful fanciers-Open/Section winners, merit award winners etc were to donate a latebred to the stud.

 

Of course accomodation would have to be built and a supervised loft manager put in place.

 

I think if the stud was ran as a mini business within the SNFC it could far surpass the money made under the current latebred sale format,as the club would be selling 3 or 4 rounds a year from the children of champions.That could potentially be £300-£400 per pair of breeders/per year

 

Not only would it raise funds but it would offer the fancy an oppurtunity to purchase pigeons from proven SNFC performance bloodlines at reasonable prices.

[Henrik]

Sounds good on paper, might be harder to put into practice

[tiger]

dont think it would work ? when you look at the big studs they all cutting back , jmo

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Think a lot of its club fundraising potential would boil down to who was looking after the birds/what they would want in return.You wouldn't expect anybody to want to do it for nothing .

 

Once the loft was built the outgoings would be obviously feed,supplements for the birds,carriage etc. If ran as a business taxing based on the income would come into play as well.

 

Would rely heavily on fanciers donating pigeons,but within 4 years they could have 14 pairs direct from national winners and potentially 6 or 7 times that from section winners and Award winners

 

For easiness we'll say they could have 100 pairs of pigeons

 

prices ranging between say £50-£100 a youngster

 

from 100 pairs rearing 3 rounds that could be 300 YBs a year at £50 = £15000 revenue

 

at £75 each = £22500 revenue

 

at £100 each = £30000 revenue

 

The question is-could it be profitable?A lot could go wrong,would it be a risk worth taking?

[tiger]

Think a lot of its club fundraising potential would boil down to who was looking after the birds/what they would want in return.You wouldn't expect anybody to want to do it for nothing .

 

Once the loft was built the outgoings would be obviously feed,supplements for the birds,carriage etc. If ran as a business taxing based on the income would come into play as well.

 

Would rely heavily on fanciers donating pigeons,but within 4 years they could have 14 pairs direct from national winners and potentially 6 or 7 times that from section winners and Award winners

 

For easiness we'll say they could have 100 pairs of pigeons

 

prices ranging between say £50-£100 a youngster

 

from 100 pairs rearing 3 rounds that could be 300 YBs a year at £50 = £15000 revenue

 

at £75 each = £22500 revenue

 

at £100 each = £30000 revenue

 

The question is-could it be profitable?A lot could go wrong,would it be a risk worth taking?

 

 

 

ok ill put it 2 you an other way the money.s NOT THERE any more

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

ok ill put it 2 you an other way the money.s NOT THERE any more

 

Yer right there John

 

Talk is cheap,but this looks like one fer the NO pile

 

I never thought for a second there was a fortune to be made from it,but that there was a possibility something of this nature could help balance the SNFC books without having to take more money from the members.

[bigjamie]

your spot on there john as some would say its a dying sport

[tiger]

Yer right there John

 

Talk is cheap,but this looks like one fer the NO pile

 

I never thought for a second there was a fortune to be made from it,but that there was a possibility something of this nature could help balance the SNFC books without having to take more money from the members.

thats simple cut 2 or 3 races out plus put 50 pence on birdage

[andy Burgess]

its a great idea ,but as mentioned ,it could or would have its problems. also mentioned "its a dieng sport" no business plan with a 10 year life span is worth the time ,especially with the calculated income ,setting up costs and wages alone would kill it dead. attitude would also throw water on the flames (sorry to say) if i were in a position that i had a pair of potential National breeding winners , you want me to give the offspring away ahem , No .

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

its a great idea ,but as mentioned ,it could or would have its problems. also mentioned "its a dieng sport" no business plan with a 10 year life span is worth the time ,especially with the calculated income ,setting up costs and wages alone would kill it dead. attitude would also throw water on the flames (sorry to say) if i were in a position that i had a pair of potential National breeding winners , you want me to give the offspring away ahem , No .

 

The late bred sale can attract 50 youngbirds so I don't think donors would be a problem,with the exception of maybe yerself Andy

 

I may be out of line saying this but in today's pigeon marketplace I don't think £50 for a youngster with SNFC prizewinning grandparents is too unreasonable.£300 for 6

 

If it worked well and the fanciers who bought the pigeons raced them in the SNFC,who knows? over time the loft could have youngsters from it's exports coming back to into it

 

It would take time to get going though and the profit margin may be so narrow that the current latebred sale format would be the favourable option.

 

Would be nice to have a collection of pigeons throwing out good pigeons en mass from actual Scottish National prizewinners

[stevie bannon]

think it would work if they were sold at working mens prices have some sitters so u get plenty out them

[daleren]

Im sure the british barcelona club have a stud loft i remember they were selling young birds on a stall at blackpool a few years ago maybe you could get in touch with them to see how they do it sounds a good idea im sure you would be able to sell them in kits of 6 no probs

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Im sure the british barcelona club have a stud loft i remember they were selling young birds on a stall at blackpool a few years ago maybe you could get in touch with them to see how they do it sounds a good idea im sure you would be able to sell them in kits of 6 no probs

 

Yep think it was Jim Hooper that got it going.Worth looking into how their one operates I reckon

 

I have a couple of pedigrees here from the stud.It looks as though they actually bought/acquired some of the actual winners not childen of them,so they could probably justify charging a bit more.

 

Like I said earlier theres probably not a fortune to be made,but if a decent enough profit was made to help with the running of the club it could be a good idea. On top of this there would be affordable pigeons on offer that could potentially improve any loft.Coming full circle it may actually encourage people to start sending more with the SNFC and be something for the Scottish pigeon fancy to be proud of.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

http://www.britishbarcelonaclub.org.uk/Stud.html

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I've sent an email to the BBC secretaries,just asking for a bit of background information on how their breeding stud was founded and how it operates.

[JADE]

If it was a money spinner I think someone would have done it privately by now. Buy up everything direct they could get at sales direct of national winners. Like others have said the moneys not there.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

If it was a money spinner I think someone would have done it privately by now. Buy up everything direct they could get at sales direct of national winners. Like others have said the moneys not there.

 

Aye I thnink the main trouble lies in the length of time it would take to get it off the ground and working well..

 

Probably end up wasting four or five years and who knows where Scottish pigeon racing will be in 2020

[ALF]

Lewis i think in principal it is a good idea but as Tiger already pointed out the money just isnae there the noo and i couldnae afford to pay £300 for 6 yb's mate i would love to but the mrs wouldnae be happy :wacko:

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Lewis i think in principal it is a good idea but as Tiger already pointed out the money just isnae there the noo and i couldnae afford to pay £300 for 6 yb's mate i would love to but the mrs wouldnae be happy :wacko:

 

Aye its no something I can see gettin off the ground.

 

Still I'll be interested to see how the BBC run their one

[peter2010]

So what would the money raised from this be used for ?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

So what would the money raised from this be used for ?

 

Same as all the money the SNFC will raise in the coming years will be used for.Survival

 

It was rightfully said at the SNFC AGM that the club isn't at crisis point yet as there is still £103000 approx left in the bank,but that won't last very long if they continue to lose money at the same rate as the 2012 campaign

 

£5 on subcriptions and £1 on all race birdages was the management reccomendation,but this was not carried.

 

There will be ways to raise funds without asking the members to shell out more money,it's just finding the right ones

[W.D.]

Same as all the money the SNFC will raise in the coming years will be used for.Survival

 

It was rightfully said at the SNFC AGM that the club isn't at crisis point yet as there is still £103000 approx left in the bank,but that won't last very long if they continue to lose money at the same rate as the 2012 campaign

 

£5 on subcriptions and £1 on all race birdages was the management reccomendation,but this was not carried.

 

There will be ways to raise funds without asking the members to shell out more money,it's just finding the right ones

£103,000? Whats the problem if they have that amount in reserve? The fancy put that money in their account in the first place,shouldn't they be giving some off it back instead of trying to get more?

jmo.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

£103,000? Whats the problem if they have that amount in reserve? The fancy put that money in their account in the first place,shouldn't they be giving some off it back instead of trying to get more?

jmo.

 

Aye me and yer dad have been through that a hundred times.

 

He told me about how the likes of yer auld pal Jocky said he would never see the money used for anything in his lifetime.This turned out to be the case.

 

You know I'm friendly wi some of the Irish fanciers,they have around £30,000 in the bank and are absolutely cock a hoop.The INFC has even been donating prizemoney to some of the competitions etc.

 

The difference is they seem to be in a positon where this £30000 will stay the same over the next few years.Where as our £103,000 goin on recent patterns will draw closer to £30,000 in the not so distant future

 

Agree with what was said at the meeting as well.There is no need to go upping all costs for the members at this exact moment in time when there is £103,000 sitting there.

[tiger]

lewis how would the nat deal with allegations like the x member if someone bought his ybs ??< NO NAMES PLEASE >

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

lewis how would the nat deal with allegations like the x member if someone bought his ybs ??< NO NAMES PLEASE >

 

It would be much the same as the current latebred sale John.

 

If fanciers performances merit an invite for donation to the SNFC latebred sale and they accept,the club and buyers at the latebred sale are relying on honesty.