Ets V Clock

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

ets v,s standard stb clock ets wins hands down. with some fanciers racing ets and some with manual clocks.when it is a close race then the fancier with ets wins.so making for a false result in club fed and national flying.(as it was the ets that made bird win position fact) if races in past where on a level playing field say all with ets or manual clocks.the club fed and national results would be altered fact

 

What about the guy using stall trap traps compared to the fancier that has to go in to catch his doo, not exactly fair and i have no doubt that results would have been altered if both were using the same trapping methods when they were both using a stb., sports never been 100% fair.

 

For myself, i could not go back to using mechanical clocks over ets. Biggest benefit to me is not having to write out a sheet to send 60 doos then to write a different one to duplicate them into a different club, that's alright if your a full time doo man.

 

Use to write the arrival time of every pigeon, now with ets i get a printed out document that i can file for future refernce.

[maverick]

How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.

[walterboswell59]

obviously ets is faster but is it the same you can time your first four birds to one clock and your next five to your second clock but you dont have to produce it if your second five are rubbish lol

no m8 both clocks have to go back to check the one not used or with rubbish times has not been tamperd with not taking both leaves it open to cheats when i used a clock the guys on open doors had the advantage then it was the guys with sputnics where you could catch the bird without going into the loft then it was stall traps where you just pulled the rubber off so if i wanted to give my birds every advantage to win i had to get the same as them when i could make it or aford to buy it if i could do neither that was my problem or my choice

[blaz]

sorry gary but your wrong m8

it was never even with fanciers useing diff methods of trapping

stall trap,sputnick,open door etc etc

a stall trap and a t3 clock you can clock in around 3 seconds of a bird going in

a sputnick etc etc you took longer because you had to catch the bird first

 

its mostly down to the trapping not the system used

motavation wins races not systems

 

beg to differ i use an stb manual clock and looking at some results if i had same clocking system as some fanciers above me the result changes in my favor

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

no m8 both clocks have to go back to check the one not used or with rubbish times has not been tamperd with not taking both leaves it open to cheats when i used a clock the guys on open doors had the advantage then it was the guys with sputnics where you could catch the bird without going into the loft then it was stall traps where you just pulled the rubber off so if i wanted to give my birds every advantage to win i had to get the same as them when i could make it or aford to buy it if i could do neither that was my problem or my choice

Would have to agree with the 2 clocks being returned.

[flying fifer]

Clocks or ETS if the birds are not into the routine of entering the trap ASAP, the sprint races will be won or lost. Having used a clock for many years and now using ETS, I would never return to using rubbers and a clock. The advantages or disadvantages are far outweighed by the stressless clocking of your birds at all times. Having had the same pigeon come two or three times as my first bird with ETS they don't get themselves into a nervous or anxious state. My reason for having ETS is it is the best system for my BIRDS

[harry h]

How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.

 

Couldn't agree with you more, the bird has to be there and trap one way or another before you can clock it with whatever kind of clock that you use.

[Guest stb-]

How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.

bollocks i had ets on one trap and a 6 bird stall trap on other , after been stalled a few times the birds get wary of going in and have regulrly seen 1st bird landing and looking in the stall But not wanting in and minutes latter a bird with ets landing and going straight through the bob

wires , they dont think twice about it when there never caught , also most of the ets ive seen are under landing boards or outside bob wires meaning the bird is timed on the lander :emoticon-0138-thinking:

 

PS The birds in the stall traps were ets rung but i had to take them over to loft with ets to swipe them

Edited February 10, 2013 by stb-

[walterboswell59]

How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.

correct my friend i have no problem with guys that dont want to use it or cant afford it its the men that want to take away my choice to have it that i dont get plus eny cheating done has been with clocks or rubbers or both

[blaz]

both birds arrive home to 2 different lofts both fly same distance both go in to their lofts at same time 1 fancier has ets the other any manual system you want to mention. the winner will be the bird going in to the loft with ets. so ets helping bird win race.ets has an unfair advantage over manual clocks.only my opinion but i know it is right

[walterboswell59]

bollocks i had ets on one trap and a 6 bird stall trap on other , after been stalled a few times the birds get wary of going in and have regulrly seen 1st bird landing and looking in the stall But not wanting in and minutes latter a bird with ets landing and going straight through the bob

wires , they dont think twice about it when there never caught , also most of the ets ive seen are under landing boards or outside bob wires meaning the bird is timed on the lander :emoticon-0138-thinking:

 

PS The birds in the stall traps were ets rung but i had to take them over to loft with ets to swipe them

bird must have enterd the loft shu rules in scotland m8

[robbiedoo.]

How many times we going to have this debate on here. Here is one fact the fastest pigeon wins the race no other, the way some go on about E.T.S WINNING RACES ITS the PIGEON that wins the race. over the years fanciers have tried everything to get that little bit of an edge on others, getting the fastest runner to run with the rubber to the club clock, open door , stall trap, etc but if the bird is not there it does not matter what you use. THATS A FACT.

 

The debate goes on like you said it doesn't matter what kind of clock you use it's only your first doo that can win the race . I have noticed that the fanciers that normally moan about things we the doos is the fanciers that look for excuses every week cause they Cana get a ticket never mind win a race . There was a fancier in my club that's got Parkinson's disease one day whilst he was waiting for the doos to come home one came a lot quicker than he expected anyway he froze to the spot and coul,nt lift his legs for 10 minutes luckily he had ets even though he did,nt win he still got the thrill of thinking hehad a

quick een imagine of how he would of felt if he did,nt have the ets to time his doo in on that day .

[maverick]

bollocks i had ets on one trap and a 6 bird stall trap on other , after been stalled a few times the birds get wary of going in and have regulrly seen 1st bird landing and looking in the stall But not wanting in and minutes latter a bird with ets landing and going straight through the bob

wires , they dont think twice about it when there never caught , also most of the ets ive seen are under landing boards or outside bob wires meaning the bird is timed on the lander :emoticon-0138-thinking:

 

PS The birds in the stall traps were ets rung but i had to take them over to loft with ets to swipe them

 

Well i catch all my birds for timing as i have ets inside loft use 2 diffrent lofts i could get more pads but i choose not to but my birds are taught from an early age to trap when i call them very first part of there training and all ets should be inside the loft not on the outside birds should enter loft to be timed

[robbiedoo.]

both birds arrive home to 2 different lofts both fly same distance both go in to their lofts at same time 1 fancier has ets the other any manual system you want to mention. the winner will be the bird going in to the loft with ets. so ets helping bird win race.ets has an unfair advantage over manual clocks.only my opinion but know it is right

 

Gary it's like fanciers with good loft locations .theres guys in the other Fraserburgh club I have to give a mile overfly to and the doos come over the top of their loft before they come to Fraserburgh . Pigeon racing will never be fair to some we just have to try our best and enjoy them .ets or manual I would,nt go back to manual clocking jmo

[billt]

bird must have enterd the loft shu rules in scotland m8

 

I'm sure that is a rule all over the UK, Think there should be more checks carried out

[maverick]

The debate goes on like you said it doesn't matter what kind of clock you use it's only your first doo that can win the race . I have noticed that the fanciers that normally moan about things we the doos is the fanciers that look for excuses every week cause they Cana get a ticket never mind win a race . There was a fancier in my club that's got Parkinson's disease one day whilst he was waiting for the doos to come home one came a lot quicker than he expected anyway he froze to the spot and coul,nt lift his legs for 10 minutes luckily he had ets even though he did,nt win he still got the thrill of thinking hehad a

quick een imagine of how he would of felt if he did,nt have the ets to time his doo in on that day .

 

This is were it helps fanciers not as fit as others and make it a level playing field for those not as fortunate health wise

[ALF]

In the longer races which i am interested in you can use any ETS clock ye want and i will use a t3 or STB as you need to get the pigeon 1st and stuff the clock for a few seconds!!!!

[walterboswell59]

both birds arrive home to 2 different lofts both fly same distance both go in to their lofts at same time 1 fancier has ets the other any manual system you want to mention. the winner will be the bird going in to the loft with ets. so ets helping bird win race.ets has an unfair advantage over manual clocks.only my opinion but i know it is right

your right so get ets i had same problem when club members had cars to train there birds i could not afford one fit birds beat unfit birds fact so saved up and got one its life m8

[maverick]

both birds arrive home to 2 different lofts both fly same distance both go in to their lofts at same time 1 fancier has ets the other any manual system you want to mention. the winner will be the bird going in to the loft with ets. so ets helping bird win race.ets has an unfair advantage over manual clocks.only my opinion but i know it is right

 

 

This was going on years ago 2 birds drop in at same time 2 runner start of at same time to the club clock the fastest runner won the race for the pigeon

[BLACK W F]

the question was why arnt 2 clocks allowed no 1st clock as most have multi pads

[Guest stb-]

the question was why arnt 2 clocks allowed no 1st clock as most have multi pads

CORRECT IF THERES A PAD IN EACH LOFT WHY NOT A CLOCK :emoticon-0167-beer:

[shugf2003]

the question was why arnt 2 clocks allowed no 1st clock as most have multi pads

Same answer two clocks used to be allowed as long as u dont go from one to an other continuious timing

ie 123 one clock 456 another might be changed now

[BLACK W F]

Same answer two clocks used to be allowed as long as u dont go from one to an other continuious timing

ie 123 one clock 456 another might be chhanged now

you missed the point you get to use multi pads there should be no nomination of clocks just like the UNC AS THAT GIVES ETS a big advantage jmo

[Guest stb-]

This was going on years ago 2 birds drop in at same time 2 runner start of at same time to the club clock the fastest runner won the race for the pigeon

YOUR MISSING THE POINT IF YOU HAVE 4 LOFTS AND 4 ETS PADS ALL CONNECTED TO ONE ETS CLOCK WHY CAN FOLK WITH MANUAL CLOCKS NOT BE ALLOWED A CLOCK IN EACH LOFT TO AND BE ABLE TO TIME THEM ALL ASWELL INSTEAD OF ONLY THE NOM ONE , EITHER THAT OR MAKE IT TO HVE TO NOM YOUR PAD ASWELL FAIRS FAIR :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[robbiedoo.]

CORRECT IF THERES A PAD IN EACH LOFT WHY NOT A CLOCK :emoticon-0167-beer:

Can't see what difference how much clocks you have the first doo is the most important one regardless of how much clocks you have . In the national can you nae have your ets and a manual set but you can only use one for clocking and the other for a back up .