Eyesign

[Guest bigda]

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  Rob

[Wiley]

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  Rob Woolliss from Grimsby, North Lincolnshire has been seriously studying eyesign over the last 26 years. Rob, a professional tattoo artist, is an avid and successful pigeon racer in his own right, having had success at all distances from 55 miles up to 500 miles. Rob's knowledge of the sport has earned him tremendous respect within the fancy.
  His eyesign techniques are second to none and have been used by many successful lofts
  Rob has built on his knowledge and experience by touring up and down the British Isles visiting many of the top lofts. He has carefully studied the eyesign and developed his own unique system of reading the true properties of eyesigning. Rob's interest was stimulated by following Dave "Gargo" Gardner from Cleethorpes a devout eyesign practitioner.

 

Bigda is there a lists of robs results? Is he a multi national winner?

 

t is a genuine question how many of the fanciers that have wrote eye sign books or DVD are multi national winners?

[greenlands]

http://racingpigeonsite.com/rob-woollis-racing-pigeons/

[Guest bigda]

http://racingpigeons...racing-pigeons/

 

 

plenty of reading in that site well done

[Guest bigda]

Bigda is there a lists of robs results? Is he a multi national winner?

 

t is a genuine question how many of the fanciers that have wrote eye sign books or DVD are multi national winners?

 

multi national winner are in the right line of flight by choice, you have mark gilbert coopers, and Lowe's

different nat to the Welsh and the Scottish and Irish.

[Guest bigda]

Bigda is there a lists of robs results? Is he a multi national winner?

 

t is a genuine question how many of the fanciers that have wrote eye sign books or DVD are multi national winners?

 

 

come to think about yep de weert was a eye sign man and i believe he done all right and i think the coopers fly his birds in the nat

[Wiley]

Geoff Cooper said eye sign was the biggest waste of time he ever spent bigda.

[billt]

Well done lads, A good discussion on the subject, I'm not a fan of myself but nice to see a sensible thread on the subject

[Wiley]

Any information of a source where Gilbert or Lowe say they believe in the eye?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I don't think decrying the eyesign theory to the lowest of the low is necessary.Even if there is no scientific weight to it,its a great conversation piece for many fanciers and some will enjoy many hours studying the eyes of birds be it their own or various other champions.Theres more to keeping racing pigeons than winning races.

 

I'm ignorant to it and would not know what to look for regarding signs.I was handed an eyeglass recently and didn't know how to use.I do however think there is something to be learnt from looking into pigeons eyes,not neccessary from the "sign" point of view but on visiting a couple of top long distance fanciers they have lead me onto a thing they call "family eye".This is not looking for a sign to determine whether or not this bird will breed winners,this bird will win etc etc. but these fancier have worked with their line of birds for nearly half a century and today's winners are related in someway to yesterday's.So basically they look for characteristics in their young hopefuls that were present in their past winners,the eye being one.I've been quite amazed at the similarities when looking at photos of recent winning birds and their eyes compared to those of their ancestors.

[billt]

As I've said before, I'm not an eyesign fan myself but opticians can pick up on a lot of potential problems in humans so on that basis the eye must be a major factor in what's going on inside

[Guest bigda]

Geoff Cooper said eye sign was the biggest waste of time he ever spent bigda.

 

 

you will not disagree with de -weert then eye sign grader and the coopers fly his family of birds then, a wouldn't believe the coopers the coopers wouldn't show you a nest

thats how tight the coopers are

[Guest bigda]

did not want to show you this one wiley in case you learned from it lol

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[William Reid]

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[William Reid]

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Eyesign

[Wiley]

did not want to show you this one wiley in case you learned from it lol

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

 

Bigda I've known of that a few years but it cannot be called eyesign, it is something I looked at when Frank sent me the DVD, and I did find the best birds in my loft had this trait, but it sure isn't eyesign.

 

I couldn't tell you if de weerdt believes in eyesign or not, as like Gilbert or Lowe I have no factual source to work off.

[Novice]

Bull sh...

 

Does your indepth knowledge of the subject and outstanding results qualify you to make that comment?

[PIGEON_MAN]

Geoff Cooper said eye sign was the biggest waste of time he ever spent bigda.

He may have said this Wiley but he judged a show in Nailsworth which attracted 95 birds,I entered a bird that as won at shows all over the country even Blackpool he took a card and yes youve guessed it Geoff picked this bird out infact I was 2nd as well,it works for me when pairing the birds and thats all I care about rubbish or not.

[dal2]

He may have said this Wiley but he judged a show in Nailsworth which attracted 95 birds,I entered a bird that as won at shows all over the country even Blackpool he took a card and yes youve guessed it Geoff picked this bird out infact I was 2nd as well,it works for me when pairing the birds and thats all I care about rubbish or not.

Think this statement is all thats required.Personal choice?

[Guest Owen]

I will make my final statement and let people make their own minds up as to what they want to do.

It is true that examination of the eye can indicate whether a person is ill or well. However there is a big difference between being ill and being well but not an athlete.

If pigeon racing was as simple as having a selection technique as accurate as eyesign is said to be the wealthy would own all the best birds and be able to make serious money by selling them to the rest of us. Also, the really big fanciers would not be loosing many birds except by accident or predators because they would only select the best using the eye as an indicator. Obviously this is fantasyland and common sense will tell you that after a moments thought. The big and wealthy loose plenty of birds as do the eyesign selectors. And I am pretty sure that the eyesign people do not have lofts containing nothing but the best birds as they would do if they were as good as they are said to be at selection.

I agree with the point that it is attention to detail coupled with observation that matters but just as in any other walk of life some people will enjoy introducing superstition into the mix. The danger is that if someone wants to become good at pigeon racing they really need to work at the things that have been proven to make a difference. And as a reminder they are, good pigeons housed in the most suitable housing with their health, training and diet managed to the highest possible standards.

Earlier I gave the example of the way a Geneticist would set about producing the desired end product. They make things as simple as they can by only dealing with the factors that they really want. Egg laying in chicken, weight gain in cattle and ability to win races at a certain distance in pigeons. They do not muddy the selection process by introducing things that have no bearing on the factor they are trying to produce. To further make the point, certain pigeon fanciers have done that very thing and produced superb pigeons.

So with the idea of freedom of choice in mind I will carry on doing what I know from certain works in practice and leave those who want to mess about with blind allies carry on doing their own thing.

[Guest bigda]

I will make my final statement and let people make their own minds up as to what they want to do.

It is true that examination of the eye can indicate whether a person is ill or well. However there is a big difference between being ill and being well but not an athlete.

If pigeon racing was as simple as having a selection technique as accurate as eyesign is said to be the wealthy would own all the best birds and be able to make serious money by selling them to the rest of us. Also, the really big fanciers would not be loosing many birds except by accident or predators because they would only select the best using the eye as an indicator. Obviously this is fantasyland and common sense will tell you that after a moments thought. The big and wealthy loose plenty of birds as do the eyesign selectors. And I am pretty sure that the eyesign people do not have lofts containing nothing but the best birds as they would do if they were as good as they are said to be at selection.

I agree with the point that it is attention to detail coupled with observation that matters but just as in any other walk of life some people will enjoy introducing superstition into the mix. The danger is that if someone wants to become good at pigeon racing they really need to work at the things that have been proven to make a difference. And as a reminder they are, good pigeons housed in the most suitable housing with their health, training and diet managed to the highest possible standards.

Earlier I gave the example of the way a Geneticist would set about producing the desired end product. They make things as simple as they can by only dealing with the factors that they really want. Egg laying in chicken, weight gain in cattle and ability to win races at a certain distance in pigeons. They do not muddy the selection process by introducing things that have no bearing on the factor they are trying to produce. To further make the point, certain pigeon fanciers have done that very thing and produced superb pigeons.

So with the idea of freedom of choice in mind I will carry on doing what I know from certain works in practice and leave those who want to mess about with blind allies carry on doing their own thing.

 

 

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[Guest bigda]

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[demolition man]

I luv eye sign even paired my birds by it. and yes i've bred 10 winners from my stock this year to 3 different lofts. but one thing i would say have a look at the eyes of show racers they have fantastic eyes so is it the "B" all and end all of course not, it's just one of my pet luv's as is apple bodys good wings and most of all top blood lines

[Guest Owen]

bigda

I have said about all I need to. I think you have got my drift by now. As to the idea of allowing some crackpot near my birds, I don't think so. However if you seriously want to know about breeding birds I will tell you my ideas on the subject some other time. Before people become preoccupied with the selection and breeding aspects of racing pigeons I reckon that there is a lot to be learned about providing the birds with a healthy loft and top quality health management. I know in my case that I was a terrible manager some years ago. My solution to the problem of not being able to win pigeon races was to continually buy in birds in a desperate attempt to find birds that could do it for me. As each year went by I bought more and more birds in the quest to find birds that would get me a few prize cards.

I think I was lucky because I attended 3 microscope courses with David Parsons the Vet and one with Brunell. The penny dropped and I could see that I had a lot to do to sort my management skills and to get the best from the birds I already had. These days I have a routine that works well although I want to continue to improve both the quality of the birds and of my own ability to get the best from them. The one thing I am sure about is that there are no short cuts and it can not be done by trying to employ crackpot ideas like some of these so called theories. Besides which, the eyesign theory has been about for at least 50 years to my certain knowledge. So why is it still a theory and not a proven fact by now. I will let you all work that one out.

[demolition man]

bigda

I have said about all I need to. I think you have got my drift by now. As to the idea of allowing some crackpot near my birds, I don't think so. However if you seriously want to know about breeding birds I will tell you my ideas on the subject some other time. Before people become preoccupied with the selection and breeding aspects of racing pigeons I reckon that there is a lot to be learned about providing the birds with a healthy loft and top quality health management. I know in my case that I was a terrible manager some years ago. My solution to the problem of not being able to win pigeon races was to continually buy in birds in a desperate attempt to find birds that could do it for me. As each year went by I bought more and more birds in the quest to find birds that would get me a few prize cards.

I think I was lucky because I attended 3 microscope courses with David Parsons the Vet and one with Brunell. The penny dropped and I could see that I had a lot to do to sort my management skills and to get the best from the birds I already had. These days I have a routine that works well although I want to continue to improve both the quality of the birds and of my own ability to get the best from them. The one thing I am sure about is that there are no short cuts and it can not be done by trying to employ crackpot ideas like some of these so called theories. Besides which, the eyesign theory has been about for at least 50 years to my certain knowledge. So why is it still a theory and not a proven fact by now. I will let you all work that one out.

 

Owen don't forget the two crackpots from essex are coming to see you! me and my trustie side kick martin hopefully the weekend of the welsh show. all being well if i'm not working