Our Birds Health Problem

[T_T]

Hi Folks,

I suppose I have been keeping the birds for 60yr or more but never come across this symptom before. If you can imagine a Goldfish swimming around a bowl, with what appears to be a worm hanging from it's back end, then I'm sure you can imagine 3 or 4 of my birds ( cocks and Hens ) with the same symptom. I don't think myself that it's worms, they have just been treated as individuals with Ascapilla. This symptom also showed up in racing season, again only 3/4 birds but I think it effected their performance. Put your thinking caps on. Went on line to ask a Vet who wanted to charge me £24 for the priviledge.

[just ask me]

treat with moxidectin mate i think its the best wormer on the market if you have a strong infestation of worms you will have to do it 2 weeks later after the first treatment as some treatments wont kill the eggs so a second time is a must and with tape worm it could even take a third treatment if the birds could be put in a aviary while been treated it would be perfect if not get out the loft burner and torch the loft after every treatment

 

 

i still think worms may be your problem

 

 

also a test for worms wont cost you that much there loads of lads doing it now

 

a lot of fanciers now have there own microscope

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

ANYTHING IS CHEAPER THAN A VET.

[Guest IB]

Whatever you think causes it, it's not worms. Took 2 seperate samples to vet last year, one normal, the other these 'stringy' droppings. Both samples clear of all parasites. The vet's opinion was that it was caused by birds drinking less water (freezing at time, snow, ice etc).

 

So there you go, you can now at least discount internal parasites..

[greenlands]

Whatever you think causes it, it's not worms. Took 2 seperate samples to vet last year, one normal, the other these 'stringy' droppings. Both samples clear of all parasites. The vet's opinion was that it was caused by birds drinking less water (freezing at time, snow, ice etc).

 

So there you go, you can now at least discount internal parasites..

Agree with you there Ian,I wonder what additives have been put in the water to reduce their intake.I've noticed when adding certain things (pro-combo,Electro the birds want to bathe in the drinker.

Could this be a problem,not wanting to drink ?

Try some electolytes,maybe the mineral content will loosen them a bit.

Could be completely wrong but worth a try.

 

Lindsay

[OLDYELLOW]

worms have a 10 day cycle so you kill worms present then 10 days later the eggs hatch then you need to re-worm but I agree with I.B's explanation

[just ask me]

hi mate is there a colour to the thing hanging from the rear of the pigeon

[blackdog]

tape worms

[REDCHEQHEN]

treat with moxidectin mate i think its the best wormer on the market if you have a strong infestation of worms you will have to do it 2 weeks later after the first treatment as some treatments wont kill the eggs so a second time is a must and with tape worm it could even take a third treatment if the birds could be put in a aviary while been treated it would be perfect if not get out the loft burner and torch the loft after every treatment

 

 

i still think worms may be your problem

 

 

also a test for worms wont cost you that much there loads of lads doing it now

 

a lot of fanciers now have there own microscope

 

 

Moxidectin does not kill tapeworms

 

praziquantel and pyrantel pamoate do.

[blackdog]

Moxidectin does not kill tapeworms

 

correct

[victorious]

treat with moxidectin mate i think its the best wormer on the market if you have a strong infestation of worms you will have to do it 2 weeks later after the first treatment as some treatments wont kill the eggs so a second time is a must and with tape worm it could even take a third treatment if the birds could be put in a aviary while been treated it would be perfect if not get out the loft burner and torch the loft after every treatment

 

 

i still think worms may be your problem

 

 

also a test for worms wont cost you that much there loads of lads doing it now

 

a lot of fanciers now have there own microscope

[victorious]

ivomectin will worm them and delouse them guarenteed just ask your vet and make sure you ask for the pour on not the oral as its bitter birds wont drink it this works i have proved it any probs getting it pm me.

[just ask me]

Moxidectin does not kill tapeworms

 

praziquantel and pyrantel pamoate do.

 

 

quite correct never said any different was saying in general that moxi is a better a top class wormer

 

i belive it is tape worm that is why i asked what colour was it

[T_T]

The " stringy " dropping hanging from their back end is green and they can't seem to shake it off, it just follows wherever they go.

Like Lindsays comment, recently treated with 4 in 1 and they hate the stuff so could be as a result of less water intake. Because of that treatment, I now have them on multivits.

Thanks for comments folks, like you say advice here much cheaper than a Vet.

[just ask me]

ivomectin will worm them and delouse them guarenteed just ask your vet and make sure you ask for the pour on not the oral as its bitter birds wont drink it this works i have proved it any probs getting it pm me.

 

 

some vets say that ivomectin can cause fertility problems in birds so i dont use it any more moxi is the new drug that is the next level up to ivomectin

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

THEY WILL SAY THAT BUT THEY WILL MIX YOU UP ANYTHING AND TELL YOU??TRY??THAT??BUT THEY WILL STILL TAKE YOUR MONEY.////

[just ask me]

THEY WILL SAY THAT BUT THEY WILL MIX YOU UP ANYTHING AND TELL YOU??TRY??THAT??BUT THEY WILL STILL TAKE YOUR MONEY.////

 

 

that talking to a vet in belg that was selling me noting

[victorious]

some vets say that ivomectin can cause fertility problems in birds so i dont use it any more moxi is the new drug that is the next level up to ivomectin

[victorious]

have been using ivomec now bout 5 years have never had any problems with unfertile birds cocks or hens sayin that i have plenty of room and only 25/30 birds but never no problems if i did i probaly would stop using it.

[Wiley]

Forget all the blind diagnosis personally I would take a few to a pigeon or good avian vet, if you cannot do that mate get the droppings sent off and explain the situation,

[ovy1255]

when i worm my birds i do it indervidual [spelling],and when i bring in new stock i always treat for worms before going into the main lofts no matter where they have come from.

i use a small syringe and put 0.2 straight down their neck -then i know they got their dose,works for me.

as for this guys problem i think he needs profesional advice and think money would be well spent to get to the bottom of the problem as most advice on here would surgest no one has had this problem ------would like to know how you make out with this one.

[sox]

Agree with you there Ian,I wonder what additives have been put in the water to reduce their intake.I've noticed when adding certain things (pro-combo,Electro the birds want to bathe in the drinker.

Could this be a problem,not wanting to drink ?

Try some electolytes,maybe the mineral content will loosen them a bit.

Could be completely wrong but worth a try.

 

Lindsay

pro combo, has salts in it witch will make the birds drink more !!

[peter pandy]

Ivomectin is certainly just the job for eliminating feather beasties but will not worm your birds. I personally have an inquisitive mind when it comes to Ivomectin as the treatment is 1 drop on the birds neck skin !. I have been unable to find the formula for this liquid as the only chemical I know that can perforate the skin without burning {acids} is Phenol and Cresol which in sufficient quantities kills on entering the partcipants blood stream. I have often wondered if the massive losses we are entertaining at the moment could be related to Ivomectin and its introduction. Food for Thought.

[Guest Owen]

I would guess that you have a worm infestation. You should treat with Moxidectine and again one week later then two weeks later. That is three treatments in all. Vets normally send you home to treat your birds with just one dose of wormer and fail to check that the dose actually kills the worms but you would be surprised how often that hair worm survives anything up to 2 treatments. If your birds have tape worm, and I would seriously doubt that, you will see the segments in the droppings. About the only way they could get tape worm is if you allow them access to soil that has had a dog messing or peeing on it. Sheep can often carry tape worm which more often than not is introduced by dogs. Modern cats can also give you problems with contamination because they do not bury their dung as they used to do years ago.

You mentioned that your birds did not fly very well this year which would not be surprising if they have serious worm infestation. A lot of pigeons carry worms and are never treated properly because Fanciers think that just one treatment is enough and they will often go on to treat their birds for canker, cocci and even respiratory disease failing to deal with the real cause of the trouble. It is worth mentioning that you should take care to ensure that your loft is dry and clean so that the worm eggs will not be available to re-infest the birds again and if you have any doubt about the outside environment you will need to stop your birds pecking around outside.