West Of Scotland Amal

[K J Young]

How on earth has it been working?? These inland duplication races were designed to get more members to send across the water, this has not happened. You two lads might think it is acceptable that the Gold cup race only gets just over a 1000 doos but I don't. In Scotland there are 3500 members, now from entries sent to the Gold cup this relates to one pigeon from every three fanciers.

 

Status Quo is not an option for 2012.

Members prioritizing an Inland national over the Gold cup which this club is all about should be strung up.

 

Could it be anything to do with , 1/3 members don,t have the doo,s to compete in all channel races and have become more sprint to mid distance minded.

[DJWa]

Could it be anything to do with , 1/3 members don,t have the doo,s to compete in all channel races and have become more sprint to mid distance minded.

 

100% agree

do you not think that these members anything upto 60% only joined through having to race it in their feds or for the inland races

take these races away and the membership could fall by over 50%

[clockman]

100% agree

do you not think that these members anything upto 60% only joined through having to race it in their feds or for the inland races

take these races away and the membership could fall by over 50%

OFF TOPIC. :scotland:

[DJWa]

OFF TOPIC. :scotland:

not really george

it all ties in with amal or any other type of racing

if you change one organisation it effects all the others

jmo

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

100% agree

do you not think that these members anything upto 60% only joined through having to race it in their feds or for the inland races

take these races away and the membership could fall by over 50%

 

 

Because it has now changed into a SNFC topic i will start a new thread.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Could it be anything to do with , 1/3 members don,t have the doo,s to compete in all channel races and have become more sprint to mid distance minded.

 

There is only 1 out of every 10 members in Scotland that participate in the Gold cup, this has to change.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I believe Lanarkshire fed has sections where race results are given out with section winners, etc.

If Amalgamation is a problem because, in the past, competition has been deemed unfair, why not Amalgamate for transport and liberation only. This way the benefits of lower fuel costs and subsequently lower birdage and / or larger profit to Feds and Security of numbers for the birds could be achieved without the disruption of the competitive element.

Just as lanarkshire have sectional results, thee Amalgamation could have sectional results in the form of Federation divisions and this would remain the main copetition areas.

After a period of time and after the wrinkles have been ironed out, the competition could possibly be enlarged to amalgamation level.

As Gareth says, somewhere down the line it will have to come due to decreasing numbers. Survival is always easier when it is attacked and taken in a confident manner. If we leave it until the water envelopes us, we will have left it till too late. It is better to embrace the water and swim rather than become engulfed in panic and drown.

[K J Young]

There is only 1 out of every 10 members in Scotland that participate in the Gold cup, this has to change.

imo i don,t think it,s as high on most fanciers agenda as you want it to be , you can,t force members to go to a race.

[K J Young]

I believe Lanarkshire fed has sections where race results are given out with section winners, etc.

If Amalgamation is a problem because, in the past, competition has been deemed unfair, why not Amalgamate for transport and liberation only. This way the benefits of lower fuel costs and subsequently lower birdage and / or larger profit to Feds and Security of numbers for the birds could be achieved without the disruption of the competitive element.

Just as lanarkshire have sectional results, thee Amalgamation could have sectional results in the form of Federation divisions and this would remain the main copetition areas.

After a period of time and after the wrinkles have been ironed out, the competition could possibly be enlarged to amalgamation level.

As Gareth says, somewhere down the line it will have to come due to decreasing numbers. Survival is always easier when it is attacked and taken in a confident manner. If we leave it until the water envelopes us, we will have left it till too late. It is better to embrace the water and swim rather than become engulfed in panic and drown.

 

its no that simple , It all boils down politics in the doo game , the strathcylde amal was a great thing as far i remember and would like to see something similar again. The main problem when you have 5 small feds and 1 big fed the big fed just starts to take over and then spits the dummy when there proved wrong when it comes to costs and transport etc.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

its no that simple , It all boils down politics in the doo game , the strathcylde amal was a great thing as far i remember and would like to see something similar again. The main problem when you have 5 small feds and 1 big fed the big fed just starts to take over and then spits the dummy when there proved wrong when it comes to costs and transport etc.

 

Lanarkshire has set their programme. The 5 small feds have not. There is time for the 5 small feds to Amalgamate into one for the reasons of transport and bird security.

Politics in the doo game has cost it dearly. It is time for common sense to take over, I know we are dealing with doo men.

If they can come together for these reasons, then after the wrinkles are ironed out, the Amalgamation will be in a better position to cope with big Lanarkshire.

Nobody is saying it will be easy and I'm afraid, being a beginner, that I am unable to put forward any knowledgeable, constructive points, however, I feel this must be attempted and all effort made to ensure its success.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Lanarkshire has set their programme. The 5 small feds have not. There is time for the 5 small feds to Amalgamate into one for the reasons of transport and bird security.

Politics in the doo game has cost it dearly. It is time for common sense to take over, I know we are dealing with doo men.

If they can come together for these reasons, then after the wrinkles are ironed out, the Amalgamation will be in a better position to cope with big Lanarkshire.

Nobody is saying it will be easy and I'm afraid, being a beginner, that I am unable to put forward any knowledgeable, constructive points, however, I feel this must be attempted and all effort made to ensure its success.

[K J Young]

Which federation do you fly in .

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

Which federation do you fly in .

LANARKSHIRE.//

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Which federation do you fly in .

 

Ayrshire North Road and a very few races with Glasgow on the south. I only have 2 birds for south racing this year, so it may be a time before i am ready for what i feel is a much harder route and less forgiving of my mistakes.

With the north sprint programme, the birds have a chance to correct my mistakes, but I am learning all the time and feel i will soon be ready to learn how to race south.

[K J Young]

Ayrshire North Road and a very few races with Glasgow on the south. I only have 2 birds for south racing this year, so it may be a time before i am ready for what i feel is a much harder route and less forgiving of my mistakes.

With the north sprint programme, the birds have a chance to correct my mistakes, but I am learning all the time and feel i will soon be ready to learn how to race south.

 

What kind of season did you have on the north road , and how do you manage to fly with Glasgow and the north road

[Kyleakin Lofts]

What kind of season did you have on the north road , and how do you manage to fly with Glasgow and the north road

 

Good season on north. Didn't time on first Arbroath and Montrose, although they came back late. Was told to stop them, keep training them and catch later races. they were late-breds and their feathers were possibly breaking down with the bad weather. Done this and caught the later races with them. Didn't time Portlethen and lost him as well, but all other races managed the result in Valley Club. Pleased at getting 3 / 3 from Thurso because some Fed toppers were lost, so my birds done well.

On south got 1 / 3 from Aycliffe and 0 / 1 from Newark, but I don't think I had them fit enough. Got 2 / 3 south birds back and they finished north programme.

I live just inside Ayrshire thus the north road and joined Barrhead for the south. Barrhead now fly in Glasgow and Renfrewshire / West Strathclyde. Next year they will probably fly Glasgow and west Strathclyde since I think Renfrew will be no more.

[K J Young]

Good season on north. Didn't time on first Arbroath and Montrose, although they came back late. Was told to stop them, keep training them and catch later races. they were late-breds and their feathers were possibly breaking down with the bad weather. Done this and caught the later races with them. Didn't time Portlethen and lost him as well, but all other races managed the result in Valley Club. Pleased at getting 3 / 3 from Thurso because some Fed toppers were lost, so my birds done well.

On south got 1 / 3 from Aycliffe and 0 / 1 from Newark, but I don't think I had them fit enough. Got 2 / 3 south birds back and they finished north programme.

I live just inside Ayrshire thus the north road and joined Barrhead for the south. Barrhead now fly in Glasgow and Renfrewshire / West Strathclyde. Next year they will probably fly Glasgow and west Strathclyde since I think Renfrew will be no more.

Had a quite a good season on the north road myself this year, and on the south with ballochmyle , haven't decided if I,ll race north next year and just concentrate on the south , east or west .

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Had a quite a good season on the north road myself this year, and on the south with ballochmyle , haven't decided if I,ll race north next year and just concentrate on the south , east or west .

 

If you race the same birds both routes, then if nothing else, the north would be good to give confidence back to any that struggled a bit south and to keep them fit before jumping them in to a big one.

I fancy tackling lerwick as well. now that is a difficult one from all reports I've heard.

[K J Young]

If you race the same birds both routes, then if nothing else, the north would be good to give confidence back to any that struggled a bit south and to keep them fit before jumping them in to a big one.

I fancy tackling lerwick as well. now that is a difficult one from all reports I've heard.

No mate a race a sort of roundabout system hen,s north , cocks south , I keep some spare cocks for the hens ,with the hens usually being home first ready for the cocks , saying that I let them pair up the week before frazerburgh, I think I was third fed . Thurso was the high point of ma season tho 1st & 2nd fed .

[frank-123]

No mate a race a sort of roundabout system hen,s north , cocks south , I keep some spare cocks for the hens ,with the hens usually being home first ready for the cocks , saying that I let them pair up the week before frazerburgh, I think I was third fed . Thurso was the high point of ma season tho 1st & 2nd fed .

 

have you ever turned a bird south when it has been racing north or north then changed to south midway in the season?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

No mate a race a sort of roundabout system hen,s north , cocks south , I keep some spare cocks for the hens ,with the hens usually being home first ready for the cocks , saying that I let them pair up the week before frazerburgh, I think I was third fed . Thurso was the high point of ma season tho 1st & 2nd fed .

You done well and pipped the valley boys a couple of times. just so you know I was talking to you at central marking. My daughter is a Kilmarnock harrier, if that helps you remember me.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

have you ever turned a bird south when it has been racing north or north then changed to south midway in the season?

 

I have. First race south, second north, third south, late back, then north to the end. Might have been confused or unfit, I'm too dumb to know, but my south birds will go south only next year, unless they mess up and then I'll race them north to the end.

[K J Young]

have you ever turned a bird south when it has been racing north or north then changed to south midway in the season?

No mate, i,ve never tried it. I prefer just to keep them going.

[K J Young]

You done well and pipped the valley boys a couple of times. just so you know I was talking to you at central marking. My daughter is a Kilmarnock harrier, if that helps you remember me.

I thats right, How do you find the time to fly in two differnt feds so far apart, I take it you mark your south doo,s up at liam byrne,s club.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I thats right, How do you find the time to fly in two differnt feds so far apart, I take it you mark your south doo,s up at liam byrne,s club.

 

Yes. Liam's marking is early so I have time to get to Hurlford. I'm only 5 mins from Liam.