Where'S All The Lost Ybs?

[blucock]

Amazing with many losses over the last 3-4 weeks how few come home or are reported at all. I know some will say they would neck any stray that comes in because of disease or they get nowt thanks for reporting them but surely you can lift the phone and report a bird to the SHU or use the phone rings to make a phone call. We try to repatriate every pigeon that comes to us - here's hoping others don't condemn "a strag" as with the racing we've had an being YBs they deserve better..

 

any thoughts??

[OLDYELLOW]

I report every bird that enters my loft , I also collect NEHU and Shu strays up and liberate them 86 miles away once a month . BOPS are the biggest problem , poorly trained young birds are the next problem and thirdly too much crap being sent if young birds are singled up prior to racing then they have to use there own brains / instincts to get themselves home the biggest loss are the ones that follow other birds rather than use there own brains . I believe a lot of culls are carried to boost numbers and breeding from more birds to get numbers so are all of a same age rather than breed 2 or 3 rounds from your best birds , fanciers should rely more on quality than quantity , less is more , and birds that aren't propped up by the medicine cabinet will fair better long term . Also forgot to add a lot of young birds go down in corn fields and can take a long while until there harvested and come out

[Guest IB]

We really need to get to the bottom of what is happening to the birds from leaving the race basket till arriving into their home area. Mostly that's just a guess just now. It's something that could be raised at Unions AGMs, putting forward proposals for Joint Studies into this problem, starting with tracking / following the birds home ... could make a start YBs 2012?

[abbeypap]

I know it's only a very small part of the missing yb's but we get a lot of emails and phone calls (up to 200 + a week during the racing season) from the general public informing us of found pigeons, but they don't want to report them due to the unsubstantiated belief that fanciers dispose of birds that don't fly home. Others inform us of found dead birds but don't take ring numbers.

[Henrik]

I know it's only a very small part of the missing yb's but we get a lot of emails and phone calls (up to 200 + a week during the racing season) from the general public informing us of found pigeons, but they don't want to report them due to the unsubstantiated belief that fanciers dispose of birds that don't fly home. Others inform us of found dead birds but don't take ring numbers.

 

I have a yb, handed in to me by a member of the public, who had tel the owner and was told that the bird was no use to him and he was an oap and couldnt afford £40 to have it returned. This wee bird had a broken leg its feet were burned on the underside like it had landed on a hot cooker or something, but its now well on the road to recovery. ,ll be phoning the owner next week to ask if he wants it and if not I,ll keep it, but he will be getting reported to his union for his stance with the young lady who originally reported the bird. Funny how all these fanciers suddenly become oap,s with no money when asked to repatriate a bird but can manage to have ETS at a cost of £500-£600

[Walter swanston]

I have a yb, handed in to me by a member of the public, who had tel the owner and was told that the bird was no use to him and he was an oap and couldnt afford £40 to have it returned. This wee bird had a broken leg its feet were burned on the underside like it had landed on a hot cooker or something, but its now well on the road to recovery. ,ll be phoning the owner next week to ask if he wants it and if not I,ll keep it, but he will be getting reported to his union for his stance with the young lady who originally reported the bird. Funny how all these fanciers suddenly become oap,s with no money when asked to repatriate a bird but can manage to have ETS at a cost of £500-£600

[knoxjn]

put the number up bobby no use moaning about bops when this sort of crap is going on just playing right into the hands of the rsbp

[Guest Davy Fleming]

I know there were only just over 600 birds in the Stray Centre this year so was by far the worst ever by a long way. Approx 7 years ago I was taking that amount in to the Centre in one night. If I remember this was almost half of even last year.

[jonl6280]

the majority of them will have perished at sea.

[xtccock]

so lets say henrik if every pigeon you had lost you had to pay £40 pound regardless to get it back how long would you last as a flyer and i mean every pigeon young old etc etc .............

 

there is nothing to be gained from reporting people to governing bodies except self satisfacation

 

the towns are littered with pigeons that dont want to go home

 

check out the somerset one loft race 258 birds libbed in brussels on tuesday and none are back

[xtccock]

a possible bill of £ 10'320

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Got to agree. Even fanciers that work fulltime can't afford to pay for half a dozen youngsters strewn all over the country in the same week so this must be looked at. The biggest majority of fanciers are genuine and shouldn't be suspended over something like this.

[eastcoaster]

Had a few strays in this year! reported all on here and only one guy had his bird collected! the rest either said keep it or toss it up any where but most never even bothered to reply . my answer to the guy who said not to report anyone , Why should anyone else be left to look after other fanciers birds when they don`t care about them,if you can`t afford to send for them don`t race them .We all are in this same position.

[yeboah]

I get dozens of Lanarkshire and Edinburgh area doos old and young in during a season ,no of boys from here working in those area's and have shown them how to lib birds safely they soon take a real interest in the birds well-being and ask of there fate,a good cheap way of getting birds within striking distance of home incurring 0 cost to the owners,buy the lads a beer when i see them in the pub works wonders surely there are other members who no of guys working away from home that could do likewise

[billt]

a possible bill of £ 10'320

 

That's if they are in the UK

[dal2]

I never let the strays in! Trap them and take them either north or south for a lib, or try and meet the fancier if really down

[victorious]

I report every bird that enters my loft , I also collect NEHU and Shu strays up and liberate them 86 miles away once a month . BOPS are the biggest problem , poorly trained young birds are the next problem and thirdly too much crap being sent if young birds are singled up prior to racing then they have to use there own brains / instincts to get themselves home the biggest loss are the ones that follow other birds rather than use there own brains . I believe a lot of culls are carried to boost numbers and breeding from more birds to get numbers so are all of a same age rather than breed 2 or 3 rounds from your best birds , fanciers should rely more on quality than quantity , less is more , and birds that aren't propped up by the medicine cabinet will fair better long term . Also forgot to add a lot of young birds go down in corn fields and can take a long while until there harvested and come out

 

very well said old yellow i agree with every word i always report any strays i find and also feed and water them after a week they usally head home as for anyone doesnt let them in or feed or water them well what can i say they dont derserve pigeons

[yeboah]

That's if they are in the UK

Surely there was still gale force sw winds on Tuesday and if so crazy decision for well being of the doos

[victorious]

very well said old yellow i agree with every word i always report any strays i find and also feed and water them after a week they usally head home as for anyone doesnt let them in or feed or water them well what can i say they dont derserve pigeons

[novo10]

Had a few strays in this year! reported all on here and only one guy had his bird collected! the rest either said keep it or toss it up any where but most never even bothered to reply . my answer to the guy who said not to report anyone , Why should anyone else be left to look after other fanciers birds when they don`t care about them,if you can`t afford to send for them don`t race them .We all are in this same position.

your right mate it was ours of our bourges hen that was its first race it made a mistake and will get chance next year to reedem its self and cheers she was in good nick when she came back

[xtccock]

if a stray enters my loft

1 check for stamp on wing and tail phone the number or report as found by non fancier organisations then give keepers details without the need of both parties receiving notification <formal>

 

2 ring the owner concerned have a natter

3 ask if they want to send for it

4 ask if they want to collect

5 will offer to feed n liberate if can in right direction

6 if they want me to prevent the streets getting cluttered then i shall deal with it without making a big deal of it we all should know the difference between a tryer n a failure and now its going to be harder to get birds back in scotland so think about your replies

[just ask me]

if a stray enters my loft

1 check for stamp on wing and tail phone the number or report as found by non fancier organisations then give keepers details without the need of both parties receiving notification <formal>

 

2 ring the owner concerned have a natter

3 ask if they want to send for it

4 ask if they want to collect

5 will offer to feed n liberate if can in right direction

6 if they want me to prevent the streets getting cluttered then i shall deal with it without making a big deal of it we all should know the difference between a tryer n a failure and now its going to be harder to get birds back in scotland so think about your replies

 

 

going to be a major problem getting birds back home

[Guest IB]

going to be a major problem getting birds back home

 

The Fancy has one of the largest transport networks available to it. It's down to lack of co-operation that a proper pigeon repatriation system cannot be integrated into it.

 

There is also the legal side to consider, which places a duty of care on an owner of animal, irrespective of where that animal is. If it is lost and found and the owner makes no attempt to retrieve it, then that's abandonment, and the fine is £thousands, and, a penalty of being prevented from keeping animals again during your lifetime.

 

Stakes are therefore a lot higher than a few £40 deliveries. Said earlier, need to find out ASAP what is going wrong out there, and if it's within our power, put it right.

[Henrik]

so lets say henrik if every pigeon you had lost you had to pay £40 pound regardless to get it back how long would you last as a flyer and i mean every pigeon young old etc etc .............

 

there is nothing to be gained from reporting people to governing bodies except self satisfacation

 

the towns are littered with pigeons that dont want to go home

 

check out the somerset one loft race 258 birds libbed in brussels on tuesday and none are back

 

When it is a non-fancier who has your bird you have to send for it or contact someone to help with it, Cant just say to them its no use to me.

[just ask me]

how many birds turn feral i wonder there a shed up the road for me there 100s in it