sammy Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 OVER THE YEARS VARIOUS DETTERENTS HAVE BEEN TRIED ON OUR PIGEONS TO NO AVAIL ALONG WITH ALL THE TALK TRYING TO GET MPs TO HELP OUT ITS ALL BEEN FRUITLESS/POINTLESS SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW .1 JUST SIT BACK AND LET IT GO ON AND THE SPORT OF PIGEON RACING DIES 2 FIGHT BACK AS THEY ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THIS LEGALLY AND SHOULD THE UNIONS BE INVOLVED TO MAKE IT COMPULSARY WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT
dal2 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 OVER THE YEARS VARIOUS DETTERENTS HAVE BEEN TRIED ON OUR PIGEONS TO NO AVAIL ALONG WITH ALL THE TALK TRYING TO GET MPs TO HELP OUT ITS ALL BEEN FRUITLESS/POINTLESS SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW .1 JUST SIT BACK AND LET IT GO ON AND THE SPORT OF PIGEON RACING DIES 2 FIGHT BACK AS THEY ARE MANY WAYS TO DO THIS LEGALLY AND SHOULD THE UNIONS BE INVOLVED TO MAKE IT COMPULSARY WHATS YOUR THOUGHTS ON ITDeffo! Nae pockets in the shroud of a dying sport!!!!
frank-123 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Sammy it is a must for the start of next season simple
Delboy Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Why dont we all attend the next SHU meeting and try and get something done about it.We sit back every year wishing the SHU would do this or that, well we are the union, so we should go to the agm and get things sorted.
frank-123 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 Why dont we all attend the next SHU meeting and try and get something done about it.We sit back every year wishing the SHU would do this or that, well we are the union, so we should go to the agm and get things sorted. you start talking and i will back you but will others?
daviedoo22 Posted July 22, 2011 Report Posted July 22, 2011 We really have to do something and very quickly,these fekin things are breeding and producing more fekers.in my opinion these things are KILLING a lot more birds than we realise,and they will be the death of sport
just ask me Posted July 23, 2011 Report Posted July 23, 2011 lads just remember you don't know who looking at these threads
THE FIFER Posted July 23, 2011 Report Posted July 23, 2011 Why dont we all attend the next SHU meeting and try and get something done about it.We sit back every year wishing the SHU would do this or that, well we are the union, so we should go to the agm and get things sorted.The SHU fought it for a few years,got a slap from members for spending money, they did try, but its all the unions together we need, the confederation,
Henrik Posted July 23, 2011 Report Posted July 23, 2011 End of the day the SHU is the only union in the UK who has fought the fight, they have managed to get licences for the trapping and removal of Sparrowhawks legalised in Scotland albeit not many are granted but what have the RPRA and the rest managed. Time for talking has gone, been tried and didnt work so its time to just forget all the niceties and get on with what we do best. If we have a problem lets get it sorted and stop posting silly things on an open forum which could in the end be used against us, time for Admin to remove posts which could damage the reputation of us Real Pigeon Fanciers instead of removing posts which only hurt a few favourites. Lets all get our act together n hopefully then we have a future but stop posting things on here that are just fantasy and could in the end hasten the demise of our Sport.
sammy Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Posted July 24, 2011 End of the day the SHU is the only union in the UK who has fought the fight, they have managed to get licences for the trapping and removal of Sparrowhawks legalised in Scotland albeit not many are granted but what have the RPRA and the rest managed. Time for talking has gone, been tried and didnt work so its time to just forget all the niceties and get on with what we do best. If we have a problem lets get it sorted and stop posting silly things on an open forum which could in the end be used against us, time for Admin to remove posts which could damage the reputation of us Real Pigeon Fanciers instead of removing posts which only hurt a few favourites. Lets all get our act together n hopefully then we have a future but stop posting things on here that are just fantasy and could in the end hasten the demise of our Sport.AT THE END OF THE DAY BOBBY WE ARE THE S H U AND WHEN I STARTED THIS THREAD IT WAS TO GET THE REAL PIGEON MENS THOUGHTS ON HOW WE AS UNION CAN ALL ACT TOGETHER AND CHANGE/ALTER RULES TO OUR BENEFIT ,WHAT I MEAN IS THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT ONTO OUR PIGEONS THAT ARE LEGAL AND WHICH CAN BE MADE COMPULSARY, ALSO THE ISSUE OF RINGS NONE BE GIVEN BEFORE MARCH THE IST ,STOPS EARLY BREEDING AND THE FATTENING OF SPARRA HEN ,RACING DONT START UNTILL 2/3RD WEEK IN MAY AND CARRIES RIGHT ON UNTILL END OF AUGUST ,AND AT THAT TIME PERCIE WILL BE SITTING ,ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT RSPB CLAIM PERCIE DONT TAKE RACING PIGEONS ,WELL WE AINT GOT ANYONE TO FIGHT OUR CORNER AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE I DONT WONT TO SEE THE DEATH OR CRUELTY TOWARDS BIRDS OF PREY AS DO MOST OF PIGEON FANCIERS ,ALL I WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT MY PIGEONS FROM BEING ATTACKED AND IF IT MEANS PUTTING STUFF ON THE FEATHERS THAT IS LEGAL TO USE AND PERCIE EATS IT THEN ITS TUFF , THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION FARMERS CAN PROTECT THEIR STOCK SO WHY CANT WE
Henrik Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 AT THE END OF THE DAY BOBBY WE ARE THE S H U AND WHEN I STARTED THIS THREAD IT WAS TO GET THE REAL PIGEON MENS THOUGHTS ON HOW WE AS UNION CAN ALL ACT TOGETHER AND CHANGE/ALTER RULES TO OUR BENEFIT ,WHAT I MEAN IS THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT CAN BE PUT ONTO OUR PIGEONS THAT ARE LEGAL AND WHICH CAN BE MADE COMPULSARY, ALSO THE ISSUE OF RINGS NONE BE GIVEN BEFORE MARCH THE IST ,STOPS EARLY BREEDING AND THE FATTENING OF SPARRA HEN ,RACING DONT START UNTILL 2/3RD WEEK IN MAY AND CARRIES RIGHT ON UNTILL END OF AUGUST ,AND AT THAT TIME PERCIE WILL BE SITTING ,ITS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT RSPB CLAIM PERCIE DONT TAKE RACING PIGEONS ,WELL WE AINT GOT ANYONE TO FIGHT OUR CORNER AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE I DONT WONT TO SEE THE DEATH OR CRUELTY TOWARDS BIRDS OF PREY AS DO MOST OF PIGEON FANCIERS ,ALL I WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT MY PIGEONS FROM BEING ATTACKED AND IF IT MEANS PUTTING STUFF ON THE FEATHERS THAT IS LEGAL TO USE AND PERCIE EATS IT THEN ITS TUFF , THAT IS NOT MY INTENTION FARMERS CAN PROTECT THEIR STOCK SO WHY CANT WE Yeah I know what you mean Sammy but Pigeon Men are funny creatures and if say the SHU didnt sell rings till 1st March then they would just go buy them elsewhere. I fully agree about curtailing racing until May as early April its still cold and also we could extend the season as the climate is changing. As for putting Legal stuff on the feathers it would maybe work and I,m all for it but how long do you think it would stay legal before the hawk brigade got it outlawed. Think also that we should be allowed to protect our birds as they are classed as livestock when it comes down to vaccinations etc but when its down to protecting them they suddenly become pets. Hopefully something can be done soon but I wont hold my breath but will keep my fingers crossed mate.
just ask me Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 End of the day the SHU is the only union in the UK who has fought the fight, they have managed to get licences for the trapping and removal of Sparrowhawks legalised in Scotland albeit not many are granted but what have the RPRA and the rest managed. Time for talking has gone, been tried and didnt work so its time to just forget all the niceties and get on with what we do best. If we have a problem lets get it sorted and stop posting silly things on an open forum which could in the end be used against us, time for Admin to remove posts which could damage the reputation of us Real Pigeon Fanciers instead of removing posts which only hurt a few favourites. Lets all get our act together n hopefully then we have a future but stop posting things on here that are just fantasy and could in the end hasten the demise of our Sport. its posted on here 100s of times not to post anything which could be used against yourself also its posted on here countless times not to post anything regarding the harm of bop there are 1000s of posts removed by mods & admin on here regarding this subject i only put up a post myself last night im also unsure what u mean what u mean by removing posts belong to a few favourites the forum is going great there are very few posts removed lately if you wish to pm me your concerns on where and how posts were removed on favorites it will be looked into and i will get back too you on the subject looking forward to hearing from you
sammy Posted July 24, 2011 Author Report Posted July 24, 2011 its posted on here 100s of times not to post anything which could be used against yourself also its posted on here countless times not to post anything regarding the harm of bop there are 1000s of posts removed by mods & admin on here regarding this subject i only put up a post myself last night im also unsure what u mean what u mean by removing posts belong to a few favourites the forum is going great there are very few posts removed lately if you wish to pm me your concerns on where and how posts were removed on favorites it will be looked into and i will get back too you on the subject looking forward to hearing from you AND ON THAT POINT THEN WHY IS THERE NOT A DEBATERS SECTION WERE ONLY MEMEBERS CAN VIEW
just ask me Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 AND ON THAT POINT THEN WHY IS THERE NOT A DEBATERS SECTION WERE ONLY MEMEBERS CAN VIEW members can only view the predators section once its on a forum it can go anywhere there lots that was posted on here all over the web on other forums on wildlife sites etc and if your talking about making it even more exclusive there no way it would stay on them boards only have seen stuff that was posted on other sites in there private members section or secret section what ever name they want to call it unfortunatly this a way of life and you just never know who is passing information along so i cant see how that secret or private section could be moderated different or kept private as it allays gets out but ill put it up on mods board and if you have any other ideas please pm or put them up they will be looked at that for sure :emoticon-0137-clapping:
Guest IB Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 I don't think there is anyone more disappointed than myself in the outcome of SHU's long campaign to legalise protection of our pigeons around their own lofts. I was also misled into believing alterations to this Act passed only this year (for Scotland) were to do just that, but it was only for the protection of game birds reared for Sport. It is also such a lengthy, wordy & complicated Act that it would be quite easy to believe you are acting within the Law, as some parts appear to allow you to do some things, for example act to protect your property - that's basically what we want to do - only to find that bit applies only against troublesome animals, not troublesome birds. I am also aware of the strong feeling on this subject amongst fanciers, and caution against misleading yourself into believing you are acting within the Law. Whether you use a 'legal substance' or not, the Act considers only your intentions to decide whether you have committed a crime. If you "intentionally or recklessly kill or harm a wild bird, its eggs, nest or breeding, you have committed a crime". Your intention is that should your bird be taken by a BoP, the BoP will be killed - so you are committing a crime. I believe this Law is wrong. The Human Rights Act gives everyone the right to enjoy their property. How can you do that if you cannot protect it? I also believe that it is wrong that some Sporting concerns are allowed to protect their property, but not others like Pigeon fanciers (that's maybe why we can't get Sport status?) and if we do, we are committing a crime. Breaking the Law is also wrong, and if pigeon fanciers are seen to be doing that en masse, I also believe it will do untold damage to the Sport, and our arguments for change would lose credibility with the Public & Governments.
THE FIFER Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 the thread was not started for what we can do, it was to discuss what the UNIONS can do, and I think thats the only way we can go, as we members wont get anywhere if the unions of our sport are not doing anything, and talking out of hand etc is only giving the protectors of those birds more ammunition to preach against us,(my thoughts,)
dal2 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 As I have said before we need a young,vibrant fancier who has the sport in their blood!!Someone who can relate to the past as well as seeing things from a modern position!!!At the last call it will be us young fellas wae doos in oor blood that will suffer!!!!!!!!We can kill the enemy if we put oor resources together!!! We can outwit the tree huggers cos we aint stupid!!! We can get pro advice cos we aint skint!!!!! Lets do something!!!!Take charge or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Walter swanston Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 The last post is absolutely correct there is an unfortunate dearth of younger men in the management of the pigeon fancy I am reluctant to do so but I can think of at least three maybe four whoI should be encouraged to play a more prominent part.I definetly ain`t gonnae name names
alec guinness Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 The last post is absolutely correct there is an unfortunate dearth of younger men in the management of the pigeon fancy I am reluctant to do so but I can think of at least three maybe four whoI should be encouraged to play a more prominent part.I definetly ain`t gonnae name names walter the problem with pigeon men is APATHY,and also an unwillingness to change or adapt,most fanciers are just not that interested, :cry-blow:personally we first started getting raptor problems in 1980 and this over the years has worsened dramatically,we do what we can .also your point Walter about younger men in the m/ment side,i myself was on the SHU council for a number of years and this latterly consisted of meetings and arguments and reading of lawyers letters,giving up time midweek and on a sunday to listen to people being some times being nasty was not for me!!!!! at the time i was 39 years old which is young imo in pigeon fanciers terms,so after being v/p of fed and on shu council and also as active in the club as was possible i have now gone full circle and help when i can whenever help is required.i do still as always enjoy the doos but unsure of the future,wish i could be more positive.john :(
JohnQuinn Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 Whilst i get as angry as the next man about the BOP i would lose my job if i was took to court ACCUSED of killing them, there are very many others who's livelihoods would also be affected if they took Direct action against the BOP so we are between a rock and a hard place.The SHU have imo spent plenty of money and man hours getting support through proper channels and have indeed got an MP to raise the subject in Parliament, this did not make the slightest difference because we are by FAR the MINORITY when it comes to this issue and until that can be changed and we get other LARGER organisations on our side we are not going to get any success dealing with the Bop.
just ask me Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 even to work along side the hunting boys might be a idea as there goals is the same as ours on this subject
THE FIFER Posted July 24, 2011 Report Posted July 24, 2011 what about the RSPCA, it must be cruelty song birds and pigeons getting eaten alive, as I posted before people in Kirkcaldy high street are being at tact by seeguls, the council and the envirimental health told them just stop eating things in the street as they cannot do anything as they are a protected species, and its an offence to harm or disturb them,
Novice Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 There is a great deal to be gained her by attempting to educate the public and to have them on our side.This could be done relatively easily by publishing pictures of pigeons which have escaped raptor attacks. These need to carry graphic images of wounds. There should carry text explaining just how many such attacks and victims there are.Unions should pay to have these published in newspapers while members could distribute them and display them in prominent positions.Such posters would also highlight the damage being done to songbirds who suffer the same fate.I am sure this would see a gradual turning of the tide and reduction in the revenue of the RSPB.
john cumming Posted July 25, 2011 Report Posted July 25, 2011 We really have to do something and very quickly,these fekin things are breeding and producing more fekers.in my opinion these things are KILLING a lot more birds than we realise,and they will be the death of sport absoloutely davie, they are taking a lot more, we see it more & more many of the bops now plundering back gardens where birds in the past were realitevly safe and bops were never seen, there are so many now they are having to hunt in back yards in urban areas to survive at major cost to other species of birds. and it will be the death of this sport john
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