Inland Snfc Races

[Clintpark Lofts]

would be the most sensable thing to do rab

and having a special bird sale or 2 to up the prize moneys, would put a smile on all that are content to fly it, yes i know there are ones that dont fly for anything as they say, but the ones that gamble do, and out way the ones that dont,

[JohnQuinn]

This is a Genuine question for MEMBERS of the SNFC, if your not a member your thoughts count for zilch, so best kept to yourself.

 

Why has there NEVER ( that i know of ) been a proposal at the AGM to drop either 1 or both Inland races???

[Clintpark Lofts]

Words of wisdom from my buddy

 

Time to shelf these pointless inland races

[Henrik]

Got another home from Marlborough this morning so now 6/12. At this rate they should all be home for Christmas hehe

[JADE]

Words of wisdom from my buddy

 

Time to shelf these pointless inland races

 

 

so pointless that it looks like a 5000 bird entry for Eastbourne

[tiger]

so pointless that it looks like a 5000 bird entry for Eastbourne

yip members voted wi there doo,s

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Yes they did but that is because they want to compete in SNFC races, so how many doos has this race taken from the Messac entry??? Pretty sure of the 5000 entered in Eastbourne there might well have been 1000+ doos that would have been sent to the prestigous race of the season " the Messac gold cup"

 

Best of luck to all that sent

[tiger]

Yes they did but that is because they want to compete in SNFC races, so how many doos has this race taken from the Messac entry??? Pretty sure of the 5000 entered in Eastbourne there might well have been 1000+ doos that would have been sent to the prestigous race of the season " the Messac gold cup"

 

Best of luck to all that sent

but its up 2 the members if they send or not

[JADE]

Yes they did but that is because they want to compete in SNFC races, so how many doos has this race taken from the Messac entry??? Pretty sure of the 5000 entered in Eastbourne there might well have been 1000+ doos that would have been sent to the prestigous race of the season " the Messac gold cup"

 

Best of luck to all that sent

 

Got to disagree Gareth. There is no way you would get 1000 of the Eastbourne doos at Messac. I reckon about 30% of the entry will be yearlings. You would get some of them going back if the Gold Cup was three weeks after Eastbourne but that will never happen.

[alec guinness]

Yes they did but that is because they want to compete in SNFC races, so how many doos has this race taken from the Messac entry??? Pretty sure of the 5000 entered in Eastbourne there might well have been 1000+ doos that would have been sent to the prestigous race of the season " the Messac gold cup"

 

Best of luck to all that sent

 

Gareth have a look at the members who sent to what nationals last year, :( we have to move with the times,5000 national doos this weekend is like turning back the clock to the glory years of the 70s and 80s racing,plenty of racing from 300-600 miles for all that imo is the answer. ;)

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Firstly I am fairly impartial,enjoying racing the doos regardless of racepoints or who with and looking forward to a race from nearly 400 miles this weekend-if it goes ahead

 

but

 

Of the 5000 entered how many have been sent as the members have been given no choice if they want a race from the coast??

Our federation is one of many that have been forced into incorporating this race into their fed programme.This race counts towards ALL federation averages and if you are a member of the SNFC the logical thing to do is to duplicate into the race.

 

I also feel had the inland races not been in the national programme this season most feds would have had very many more pigeons to send to support a federation open race or combine/amal this weekend.The SNFC Gold Cup race and indeed all channel events would most definately have had a better turn out as well.

 

I suppose though money talks,money goes to money etc.

 

Good luck to all at Eastbourne this weekend I hope your second

[ALF]

Gareth have a look at the members who sent to what nationals last year, :( we have to move with the times,5000 national doos this weekend is like turning back the clock to the glory years of the 70s and 80s racing,plenty of racing from 300-600 miles for all that imo is the answer. ;)

 

CAN WE FIND OUT HOW MANY DOOS ARE AWAY FAE FEDS THAT ARE DUPLICATING INTO THE SNFC???? I'M SURE THAT HAS GOT TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND I KNOW ON THE 1ST VOTE IN MY OWN FED TO GO WITH THE SNFC IT ONLY WON BY 1 VOTE AND ON THE RECOUNT 2 PEOPLE MUST HAVE SHAT IT BECAUSE IT WENT TO 3

[midnight_son]

Got to disagree Gareth. There is no way you would get 1000 of the Eastbourne doos at Messac. I reckon about 30% of the entry will be yearlings. You would get some of them going back if the Gold Cup was three weeks after Eastbourne but that will never happen.

 

 

Jade, you may be right with your 30% figure of yearlings. I racemarked a lot of 2007s and 2008s last night. However, that leaves 70% of the convoy as being experienced birds ready for the channel. Surely those 3 and 4YOs that are being sent to this race are the sort of birds that should be going to a Gold cup or Tours ? Granted, a percentage of them will be sprinters with no intention of flying the distance but surely if you're half a distance man you want your experienced birds for the water ? Maybe they're sending here thinking they'll be fine to go back to Ypres, Tours or Clermont but if its another hard race then thats another stack of prospective channel birds lost at an inland national.

 

John Hood, I hear what you say about number of members but maybe more of the members would send to France if they had pigeons left to send to France rather than getting emptied out at the two inland races ? Remember they do come at the start of the season when everyone is fired up for the nationals and can't resist having a go. I accept there are a proportion of members who just don't want to fly the channel (the thin end of the wedge right enough allowing that first inland national back in 1996 - now we have members who don't want to fly 500 miles in a long distance club !) but there are definitely those who have every intention of trying the channel only to run out of pigeons or become discouraged by bad returns from inland nationals. Yes, the members choose to send, ultimately it is they who fill in the entry sheet but there is nothing wrong with the SNFC taking steps to rehabilitate the long distance races and protect the entries for the big races by effectively protecting fanciers from themselves regarding losses at inland nats.

 

Best of luck for the weekend

[dal2]

Jade, you may be right with your 30% figure of yearlings. I racemarked a lot of 2007s and 2008s last night. However, that leaves 70% of the convoy as being experienced birds ready for the channel. Surely those 3 and 4YOs that are being sent to this race are the sort of birds that should be going to a Gold cup or Tours ? Granted, a percentage of them will be sprinters with no intention of flying the distance but surely if you're half a distance man you want your experienced birds for the water ? Maybe they're sending here thinking they'll be fine to go back to Ypres, Tours or Clermont but if its another hard race then thats another stack of prospective channel birds lost at an inland national.

 

John Hood, I hear what you say about number of members but maybe more of the members would send to France if they had pigeons left to send to France rather than getting emptied out at the two inland races ? Remember they do come at the start of the season when everyone is fired up for the nationals and can't resist having a go. I accept there are a proportion of members who just don't want to fly the channel (the thin end of the wedge right enough allowing that first inland national back in 1996 - now we have members who don't want to fly 500 miles in a long distance club !) but there are definitely those who have every intention of trying the channel only to run out of pigeons or become discouraged by bad returns from inland nationals. Yes, the members choose to send, ultimately it is they who fill in the entry sheet but there is nothing wrong with the SNFC taking steps to rehabilitate the long distance races and protect the entries for the big races by effectively protecting fanciers from themselves regarding losses at inland nats.

 

Best of luck for the weekend

 

 

Maybe its just me but I have a fair idea wot pigeon is goin where in January. Have always sent my channel doos tae the first inland nat and the ones earmarked for the last water race and the yearlins that are up for it to the second!

Bad race frae MArlborough buggered the plans this year but hey!!! thats pigeon racing..

 

The only thing that affected my birdage for the gold cup was poor returns frae a tough race! but it would have only increased my entry by 1.

 

If members send and enjoy the inland nats then I have no probs wae that.

[alec guinness]

CAN WE FIND OUT HOW MANY DOOS ARE AWAY FAE FEDS THAT ARE DUPLICATING INTO THE SNFC???? I'M SURE THAT HAS GOT TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND I KNOW ON THE 1ST VOTE IN MY OWN FED TO GO WITH THE SNFC IT ONLY WON BY 1 VOTE AND ON THE RECOUNT 2 PEOPLE MUST HAVE SHAT IT BECAUSE IT WENT TO 3

 

 

there will be more than a few alf,we have gone to the coast as federation, combines, specialist midweek coastal racing or amalgamations even the 1000 mile club had coastal racing, over the years most have bit the dust or at best are a shadow of their former self,dont even think the lanarkshire would fancy the english coast on their own, imo still think the national offers the best choice :)

[Guest stb-]

Maybe its just me but I have a fair idea wot pigeon is goin where in January. Have always sent my channel doos tae the first inland nat and the ones earmarked for the last water race and the yearlins that are up for it to the second!

Bad race frae MArlborough buggered the plans this year but hey!!! thats pigeon racing..

 

The only thing that affected my birdage for the gold cup was poor returns frae a tough race! but it would have only increased my entry by 1.

 

If members send and enjoy the inland nats then I have no probs wae that.

thats a fair comment steve and the inland nats have normally been good races to me but i certainly would not send any birds i was hoping to send to the channel to them as i think it can be too risky

 

JMO

[JADE]

I agree with most of your comments. However I would guess 40% are 2 yo and 30% are older birds. Probably half the convoy (at least) are on some form of widowhood so that leaves approx 750 pigeons over 2 yo. Many of these as you say are destined for Ypres or Clermont. Yes there are many widowhood fliers send birds to the channel but there are just as many or more who dont. The bottom line is there are a limited number of channel pigeons in Scotland and that is the main reason why entries are decreasing

[dal2]

thats a fair comment steve and the inland nats have normally been good races to me but i certainly would not send any birds i was hoping to send to the channel to them as i think it can be too risky

 

JMO

 

 

The first inland nat usually suits the widow fancier, like me, perfect Rab as the birds are widow all year then introdduced on basket day for the race and then left to create a suitable nest condition for wot you think is best. The distance is right, time on wing is right and the three weeks sittin at home gives you time to assess and/or road work yer birds!

I think its ideal UNTIL THIS YIN

[alec guinness]

Jade, you may be right with your 30% figure of yearlings. I racemarked a lot of 2007s and 2008s last night. However, that leaves 70% of the convoy as being experienced birds ready for the channel. Surely those 3 and 4YOs that are being sent to this race are the sort of birds that should be going to a Gold cup or Tours ? Granted, a percentage of them will be sprinters with no intention of flying the distance but surely if you're half a distance man you want your experienced birds for the water ? Maybe they're sending here thinking they'll be fine to go back to Ypres, Tours or Clermont but if its another hard race then thats another stack of prospective channel birds lost at an inland national.

 

John Hood, I hear what you say about number of members but maybe more of the members would send to France if they had pigeons left to send to France rather than getting emptied out at the two inland races ? Remember they do come at the start of the season when everyone is fired up for the nationals and can't resist having a go. I accept there are a proportion of members who just don't want to fly the channel (the thin end of the wedge right enough allowing that first inland national back in 1996 - now we have members who don't want to fly 500 miles in a long distance club !) but there are definitely those who have every intention of trying the channel only to run out of pigeons or become discouraged by bad returns from inland nationals. Yes, the members choose to send, ultimately it is they who fill in the entry sheet but there is nothing wrong with the SNFC taking steps to rehabilitate the long distance races and protect the entries for the big races by effectively protecting fanciers from themselves regarding losses at inland nats.

 

Best of luck for the weekend

 

do agree jamie,but it this day and age surely we must cater for all!! how many lofts in scotland???what percentage of these fanciers race with the SNFC??? as you said in an earlier post there would only be some other organisation to give these folks what they want ie inland nationals,the distance races will always be there and imo we are close to the correct programme. good luck for the weekend. :) :) ps the fed racing the past few weekends has been none to clever.

[Guest IB]

I picked up from an earlier SNFC AGM that some members saw the Inland Nationals as a set-up race for their Channel Candidates. So I don't believe the Eastbourne race entry will have had any bearing on the entry for this year's Gold Cup race. I have 2 x 2 y-o at Eastbourne, but they are destined for Clermont. My Gold Cup candidates (2) are safe at home - they were at Marlborough (as were my Tours candidates) - and I would not have dreamed of risking racing them the weekend before marking for the Premier race of the year.

 

I believe channel men need the Inland Nationals. There is no other way of giving the birds that experience of 'find your way home from thousands of birds heading into every part of Scotland' - that's absent in Fed and Combine racing.

[andy]

Got another home from Marlborough this morning so now 6/12. At this rate they should all be home for Christmas hehe

Good Bobby, still only got ma 5/7 but got a yearling widower from Huntingdon (same day) this morning, been roughing it, now 18/20. At least I've now got 1 for Clermont.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I picked up from an earlier SNFC AGM that some members saw the Inland Nationals as a set-up race for their Channel Candidates. So I don't believe the Eastbourne race entry will have had any bearing on the entry for this year's Gold Cup race. I have 2 x 2 y-o at Eastbourne, but they are destined for Clermont. My Gold Cup candidates (2) are safe at home - they were at Marlborough (as were my Tours candidates) - and I would not have dreamed of risking racing them the weekend before marking for the Premier race of the year.

 

I believe channel men need the Inland Nationals. There is no other way of giving the birds that experience of 'find your way home from thousands of birds heading into every part of Scotland' - that's absent in Fed and Combine racing.

 

They managed pretty well for nearly 90 years Broon