Bloody Hawks

[gordi.b]

was jet washing patio this mning when spar nailed my yrling blue hen, got it good with my jet wash , hen ok

[kev01293]

glad to hear your hens ok fecking hawk numbers have really got out of hand i have to stand guard when mine are out and can only relax when all back in and counted, kev

[yeboah]

Had birds at twenty miles hens of first all home cocks up last cleared really well but arrived home scattered four still missing all raced two three year olds raced 350mls one of cocks scored well in open last year ,when i was watching for latecomers sparrowhawk attacked hens knocking one to ground chased hawk of pigeon ,pigeon went under ford transit van and jumped up into engine had terrible job getting it out hawk had taken out half of its wing in seconds Welcome to 2011.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Had birds at twenty miles hens of first all home cocks up last cleared really well but arrived home scattered four still missing all raced two three year olds raced 350mls one of cocks scored well in open last year ,when i was watching for latecomers sparrowhawk attacked hens knocking one to ground chased hawk of pigeon ,pigeon went under ford transit van and jumped up into engine had terrible job getting it out hawk had taken out half of its wing in seconds Welcome to 2011.

 

yes and it is only going to get worse every year

[tiger]

Had birds at twenty miles hens of first all home cocks up last cleared really well but arrived home scattered four still missing all raced two three year olds raced 350mls one of cocks scored well in open last year ,when i was watching for latecomers sparrowhawk attacked hens knocking one to ground chased hawk of pigeon ,pigeon went under ford transit van and jumped up into engine had terrible job getting it out hawk had taken out half of its wing in seconds Welcome to 2011.

you would been better letin make its kill then you could have sorted the problem . jmo

[Roland]

I will be rubbing salt and lard on the birds Head, Necks and Shoulders when I take them training / racing. If they must be eaten, at least they will do some ones loft a good deed.

If only aALL did similar!

[geordie1234]

I will be rubbing salt and lard on the birds Head, Necks and Shoulders when I take them training / racing. If they must be eaten, at least they will do some ones loft a good deed.

If only aALL did similar!

What does this do to predators and does it not annoy your doos

[knoxjn]

lost two hens today what a waste of time

[Roland]

What does this do to predators and does it not annoy your doos

No! Lard mixed with salt doesn't infringe thier flight or flying ... if anything they slip through a wind slip stream easier lol.

 

Salt. B.O.P. don't drink water ... might bath in a puddle etc. but DON'T drink as they get their fluids from the blood of their victims. So they can't clear the salt from their system. Pigeons do drink water of course! Was how they sorted all out before... If ever a carcase was found, salt was poured over it.

the RSPB and RSPCA actually brought it out as a detterent to B.O.P. atacking pigeons as they certainly don't go back for more ... Well they got that right

Rhubarb juice: This will render any bird useless in no time at all ... so one has to be careful hat bird it is put upon ... and don't want your pigeon to be able to preen it' self... nor a mate.

Sheep dip: Goldern fleece for example will sort out any bird within 20 seconds to a minute.

Sparrow Hawks will drop a bird, say a thrush, to attack an canary. It is unfortunate if the canary is house within a Glass tank, or behind glass. If not dead, one must be careful how one picks the S/Hawk up.... mustn't get it's head stuck under your foot for example.

[big blue bar]

think we have had our first sparrow attack yesterday . one of the widows are missing and there was a puff of feathers in the middle of the garden . hope this is nt the start of them bothering the racers . they almost killed all my white fantails begining of 2010

[billt]

think we have had our first sparrow attack yesterday . one of the widows are missing and there was a puff of feathers in the middle of the garden . hope this is nt the start of them bothering the racers . they almost killed all my white fantails begining of 2010

That sounds more like a Gos attack, they snatch and go , hen spar not big enough to carry off whole so make a lot more mess ,feather wise, hope it's not the Gos, they are worse than percy

[sammy]

yes and it is only going to get worse every year

AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT

[just ask me]

I will be rubbing salt and lard on the birds Head, Necks and Shoulders when I take them training / racing. If they must be eaten, at least they will do some ones loft a good deed.

If only aALL did similar!

 

 

what does this do i have not found any evidence that this will deter hawks

[Roland]

what does this do i have not found any evidence that this will deter hawks

 

Could say makes ice cream from the back sides!

What do you think it does?

 

Where have you looked?

 

Well google it, search like others do etc. BUT more importantly 'Act' and do something to help your birds, other birds and the sport as an whole.

This was recommended as I state by the RSPB & RSPCA JOINTLY AS A DETERRENT... It works, and obviously they don't recommend it now!, also they can't get salt out of their system. Ask a Game Keeper. etc.

Or perhaps you believe in the tooth fairy with a magic wand.

[Roland]

what does this do i have not found any evidence that this will deter hawks

 

This is in regards the normal birds that DRINK water! B.O.P. DON'T, IT IS ....

 

Birds differ greatly in their ability to cope with salty food and water. Birds such as seabirds are able to eat marine animals and drink seawater without a problem, while many songbirds can die if they take in quantities of salt.

 

Birds have a primitive, largely reptilian type kidney which, although able to secrete some salt, is quite poor at it. The ability to process salt varies between species, but most can produce uric acid with a maximum salt concentration of about 300 mmol/litre. Amongst our garden birds, house sparrows and pigeons are some of the most salt tolerant species. The capability to secrete salt seems to be linked to habitat, particularly marine environment and drought conditions. This is nicely illustrated by the savannah sparrow. The subspecies that inhabits saltmarsh is capable of secreting 2-3 times as much salt than other subspecies that live in salt-free habitats.

 

To compensate for the kidneys, birds posses another reptilian feature that serves specifically to excrete salt the nasal gland. Also known as the salt gland, it is located in the birds skull in the forehead. Although the nasal gland is present in all birds, it is functional only in those species that are regularly exposed to salt in their diet. The salt concentrating capability is dependent on the ecology of the species, but adaptive and, possibly, acclimative changes can occur. In birds that regularly eat a diet high in salt or drink salt solutions, the nasal glands increase in size. The only land birds with active nasal glands are some desert species such as the ostrich, and many birds of prey.

 

Nasal glands are able to excrete salt in high concentrations about ten times as high as kidneys are able to. This enables all seabirds to eat fish, crustaceans and even plankton, and to drink seawater. In an experiment, a black-backed gull was given one tenth of its body weight (equivalent to about 7 litres or 13 pints for an adult human) of seawater. The bird eliminated the entire salt load in 3 hrs!

 

The nasal gland is only active when it is needed to eliminate salt. It always excretes salt in high concentration, and so wastes very little water in doing so. In contrast, a kidney will need three pints of fresh water to eliminate salt from one pint of seawater.

 

Because most garden birds are poor at coping with salty food, it is important not to offer them anything with appreciable amount of salt in it. As such, salty fats, salty rice, salted peanuts, most cured foodstuffs, chips etc should not be offered to birds. It can be difficult to eliminate salt entirely, but very small amounts of salt should not cause any problems, particularly if fresh drinking water is also available.

 

nOW THINK ABOUT IT! If you did SEARCH you want find ample evidence!

[Roland]

Without even looking or SEARCHING ...

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdSSTZqVN9CMAWi5XNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjE0MjM1NzA4OQRfcgMyBGFvAzAEZnIDYW5zX3FwXzEEaG9zdHB2aWQDMnQ1dmwwb0dkVEJpMEFKMVRhR1dEd2xaVWgwWTZFMmxacE1BQ0NpNQRuX2dwcwMwBG5fdnBzAzAEb3JpZ2luA3NycARxdWVyeQNTYWx0IGtpbGxzIGJpcmRzBHNhbwMxBHZ0ZXN0aWQDUUkwMTg-?p=Salt+kills+birds&fr2=sb-top&fr=ans_qp_1&vdata=0%2C0%2C0%2C0

[just ask me]

bop do drink water i have seen it lots of times they dont do it often as they take there fluid from there kills

 

but as seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgJEcx9RJLM&feature=related

 

 

 

bop do drink water

 

only took me 2 mins to find

 

 

the amount of salt need to deter a bop from our birds would need more salt then you could fit on a pigeon

 

think this is a bit like the moxidectin story that was going around where pigeon men were doing noting only worming bop as people who keep these birds use moxidectin to worm there birds

[Roland]

Yep IN CAPTIVERTY! Full stop. Like rabbits will drink when tame / in house. BUT that is - like the Hawk that is tether TAME - FOR THEY NORMALLY get their moisture from the Grass etc.

The three wonders of Nature are.

A hen drinks water but doesn't pee. A rabbit doesn't drink water but pees, and a donkey craps a square turd out of a round '*expletive removed*'.

B.OP. Bath in water and keep their feather etc. right, also in Dust! But if fed dry meat in captiverty they Have to take a little moisture, though - like the rabbit, and our Pendics, it is alien to them but a MUST.... but not salted.

Think you wish to see the RSPB/ RSPCA retract in public and spend £0000 stating adverts like'

Further to our servey regards Salted Pigeons being a detriment to B.O.P. prey, it has been ammended as this has an adverse effect on the B.O.P. so would all PIGEON lover please refrain from distroying our B.O.P.

Yep that should suffice.

[Roland]

Another con for the gullible that believe DON'T think INVERTAMIN KILLS B.O.P. It does and well they know it! But it has to be 'POUR ON'

 

We use it ourselves they squirm! YES they well advertised that one and gullible wish to believe.

Birds have lice etc. to keep their feathers / quills spot. Like the Belgiums DON'T rid their birds of them... most just the UK

think in all honesty Just Ask Me' that you are a hawk lover!

You spout out the same gabbage as the RSPB flout and don't wish to let others follow tried and tested, and PROVEN methods.

Go and ask any 'Land Man' how they got shot of B.O.P. and carrion etc. Same ways as the Kites etc. 100's years earlier 'SALT' next your being trying to convince fanciers that B.O.P. are scavengers who ALSO will not pass up a chance of Carrion.

Like a Cull injected strigyt afer death with 2 mill of Goldern Fleece sheep dip, and a few feather left around it's carcase -especially after a rain y spell Percy and co. won't swoop and eat, and hopefully take back to their nest.

You dream on, and I won't bother to discuss these 'Proven' points.

Think I, and other fanciers could be taken in by your crap and drivel - like so many choose to be by the RSPB popugander to our birds detrimental downfall.

Yep I think you [probably have 'B.O.P. and are a member of the RSPB. End of.

[just ask me]

roland ive seen them drinking in the wild

 

and there plenty of vids on youtube too

 

 

also there are lots of falcon men that feed there birds sea fish which are full of salt

 

anything the rspb says can be taken with a pinch of salt as we both know

[BLACK W F]

if the lot of yous stopped whinging and done some thing to get rid of them train in the winter wi their jackets on them along the line of flight and for mrs sparrow H open hole l/breds wi jackets all winter and spring if every one does this will soon be reduced

[Guest TAMMY_1]

AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT

 

 

more than you,I have relocated a few sparrow hawks from here and the fancier on the farm at the botton of the hill has chased away countless peregrines over the years :002:

[just ask me]

if the lot of yous stopped whinging and done some thing to get rid of them train in the winter wi their jackets on them along the line of flight and for mrs sparrow H open hole l/breds wi jackets all winter and spring if every one does this will soon be reduced

 

 

i dont winnge alan i dont have any problems at all

[Roland]

if the lot of yous stopped whinging and done some thing to get rid of them train in the winter wi their jackets on them along the line of flight and for mrs sparrow H open hole l/breds wi jackets all winter and spring if every one does this will soon be reduced

 

Only had three to sort, and now dusted.

There was a Percy - apparently - close by fora few days... but hasn't been seen since.

Only one I hear of escape this way Alan was when a S/H devoured a ring neck dove here abouts and the girl didn't think to salt it. Yes would have flown of if not disturbed by Mr Willow (Bat) and returned for meal. Mind I believe that took a liking to a canary or something like and hasn't been back.

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

if the lot of yous stopped whinging and done some thing to get rid of them train in the winter wi their jackets on them along the line of flight and for mrs sparrow H open hole l/breds wi jackets all winter and spring if every one does this will soon be reduced

YOUR RIGHT MATE.///