Show Judges

[sapper756]

How many PB members have been judges at racing pigeon shows?

 

If you have,

 

What do you look for, when judging through the wire classes?

 

What do you look for when judging a handling class?

 

Do you have a specific routine you follow when judging. ie, wing first, then head ect?

 

Thank Youhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[sapper756]

Here is how one judge does ithttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

First step is to get a first impression of each bird without handling it, bearing in mind that this is a beauty contest. A good first impression would be:

 

• a neat clean appearance
• each part of the bird blending smoothly into the overall profile
• clean neat plumage
• clean feet and beak
• an intelligent looking head
• and obvious good health.

Now comes the handling part and here again there is a first impression as you take the bird into your hands. For novice fanciers I must explain that you must learn this process by experience. I'll try to describe what I look for, but it cannot take the place of actually handling good birds. After just about talking myself out of doing it, here goes.

 

• The bird should handle as a complete unit and appear well balanced. Some describe it as 'apple bodied.' I think it is better described as pear-shaped, the large end of the pear towards the front of the bird, of course.
   
  
• The tail should extend straight out from the body and not pop up or go down. I prefer a one-feather-width tail.
   
  
• The keel should appear strong and straight and not too deep.
   
  
• The vent bones should also appear strong and close together but this will depend on the sex of the bird -- hens being allowed more leeway.
   
  
• The whole bone structure should appear strong and unyielding. Strong does not necessarily mean large.
   
  
• Next I will check the wings and prefer all flights to be grown, but this will depend on the time of year.
   
  
• The wing butt should be thick and well feathered.
   
  
• The last three flights I prefer to be about the same length with a gap between each. The Belgians say you should be able to throw a pea through the gap. Many prefer that there is a step up from the secondaries to the primaries, the theory is that it is aerodynamically better.
   
  
• If you look at the extended wing from the front, I like the flights to be curved slightly down. The theory here being that the flights would retain their shape better on prolonged flights.
   
  
• All the time I am handling the bird I will be checking for feather defects and feather quality. Defects are such things as twisted feathers, missing and broken feathers, fret marks (some consideration given here in flown classes), pin holes and dirt on the feathers. Feather quality is best described as sleek and silky.
   
  
• Checking for general health is also an on-going process during handling. External parasites on the feathers will downgrade the bird as will caked droppings around the vent and dirt around the beak.
   
  
• The wattles must be healthy looking and the inside of the mouth free from any signs of disease.
   
  
• The eye should appear bright and healthy looking. I don't subscribe to eyesign so I never consider it.
   
  
• What I cannot see, I cannot judge, such as general intelligence, homing instinct and the courage to home under hazardous conditions. These are judged by performance in the races.

Edited October 24, 2010 by sapper756

[hotrod]

i have judged many a show over the years although i havent for a few now ,most/all of the above , but to me i am looking at what i want to take home or what would get a perch im my loft so to speak , i give one tick for one that is all ok clean no bad frets nice in the hand with no or nearly no faults , two ticks for one that is very good , and three ticks for the perfect pigeon, with no faults and what i what in my own loft . the one thing i cant abide is lice on pigeons at shows ,in my view they are out no matter what . i have been to a very good quality show where it is quite hard to pick out the winner ,but i have also been to shows that i have picked the winner right away when the quality is poor.

[Delboy]

Ive been lucky enough to judge all the major Scottish shows on more than one occasion. The problem with shows nowadays is getting the judges to sort out the racing pigeons from the half show pigeons.Ive witnessed many top names putting up pigeons that were blatantly dipped and not complete racers

[sapper756]

Ive been lucky enough to judge all the major Scottish shows on more than one occasion. The problem with shows nowadays is getting the judges to sort out the racing pigeons from the half show pigeons.Ive witnessed many top names putting up pigeons that were blatantly dipped and not complete racers http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/blink.gifhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

 

what do you mean when you say "dipped" m8?http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

[JohnQuinn]

A show doo crossed with a racer, sometimes the Yb is crossed back to another racer, making it awkward for some people to spot that it is not a Full Racing pigeon.

[JohnQuinn]

oops

[alec guinness]

A show doo crossed with a racer, sometimes the Yb is crossed back to another racer, making it awkward for some people to spot that it is not a Full Racing pigeon.

 

dont think its that hard to spot john. very hard to win prizes in the open shows these days.

[JohnQuinn]

Surprise you the men that do struggle with it....I'm no finding it That hard

[sapper756]

How many PB members have been judges at racing pigeon shows?

 

If you have,

 

What do you look for, when judging through the wire classes?

 

What do you look for when judging a handling class?

 

Do you have a specific routine you follow when judging. ie, wing first, then head ect?

 

Thank Youhttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

 

 

anymore budding judges out there?http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif

[demolition man]

i have judged many a show over the years although i havent for a few now ,most/all of the above , but to me i am looking at what i want to take home or what would get a perch im my loft so to speak , i give one tick for one that is all ok clean no bad frets nice in the hand with no or nearly no faults , two ticks for one that is very good , and three ticks for the perfect pigeon, with no faults and what i what in my own loft . the one thing i cant abide is lice on pigeons at shows ,in my view they are out no matter what . i have been to a very good quality show where it is quite hard to pick out the winner ,but i have also been to shows that i have picked the winner right away when the quality is poor.

 

Me too judged many a show but hate quill lice, i judged one show only two pigeons out of the complete show without lice, only gave two tickets never got asked back

[Guest bakes]

Me too judged many a show but hate quill lice, i judged one show only two pigeons out of the complete show without lice, only gave two tickets never got asked back

 

to be fair i would of done same if i was a judge as from past when use to show zebra finchs you got to get the birds looking spot on and anythink like lice or so on should be reducted from points as to me the owner must of known they had them before as only got to open wing up and you will see them bad part on the fancier them self going off past experiences with exhibiton zebs you got to make shore your birds stanbd out if to say to judge im here come and get me make your bird stand out amongst the rest in the show bench all best klaus

[clockman]

Me too judged many a show but hate quill lice, i judged one show only two pigeons out of the complete show without lice, only gave two tickets never got asked back

was it a eye sign class

[demolition man]

was it a eye sign class

 

 

they all had full brown circles

[Guest bigbok]

wish it was easy for us fancy pigeon show breeders. as with all the above things mentioned we all so have breed standards to adhee to

[yeboah]

Was fortunate enough to have judged at last years Belfast show along with two mates ,turned out

that the bis had previously won at Blackpool and Dublin ,looked round the winners at this years

blackpool show and it had won again lovely cheq cock ,have to go with your fancy on day ,after

all the years most of us have kept the doos think we no what we like and dislike in a doo

[dal2]

Never judged a show class.Could be my eyesight problem or most likely ad make a balls of it. Was at peterlee one year and had three on the specials table for judgin and the man put the winner of the SALE class up as BIS. Judges eh!!

[yeboah]

Never judged a show class.Could be my eyesight problem or most likely ad make a balls of it. Was at peterlee one year and had three on the specials table for judgin and the man put the winner of the SALE class up as BIS. Judges eh!!

Thought you would have been away getting the eye in for the morrow night steve

[dal2]

Thought you would have been away getting the eye in for the morrow night steve

Been practicn up un doon the livin room floor. Wifes gan mental aboot the skirtin boards

[yeboah]

Been practicn up un doon the livin room floor. Wifes gan mental aboot the skirtin boards

[sapper756]

Now that quite a few shows are under way, and for some fanciers, there birds are not quite fully moulted, ie, a flight or two to go. Do judges take this into consideration, or do they simply discount any bird entered in this condition?http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif

 

THANK YOU

[cemetary]

A bit lea way when they are in the handling class, as the judges no that there doos are in more or less the same condition.

[DJWa]

my mate judges a bit and said to me that he doesnt down a bird

if its only got 1 or 2 lice

as in the heat of the hall they may have crawled from the pen next to it

 

anymore and theyre discounted

[cemetary]

my mate judges a bit and said to me that he doesnt down a bird

if its only got 1 or 2 liceas in the heat of the hall they may have crawled from the pen next to it

 

anymore and theyre discounted

 

 

The question wasnt aboot lice ya MUPPET, read the post correctley ya BAMPOT,

[DJWa]

The question wasnt aboot lice ya MUPPET, read the post correctley ya BAMPOT,

 

its about what a judge looks for you donkey