Averages

[sapper756]

What do PB members think about Averages, whether it be Club/Federation/National ?

 

Do members aim to win averages, and go all out to do so?

 

Or do you look upon winning an average as an added bonus?

 

Have you ever lost a good bird, due to simply chasing an average?

 

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[THE FIFER]

I personally dont believe in them, miss a race or dont time in for a race and your out, a fancier could have 6 1sts and 3 2nds out of 10 races,but because he didnt time in with one,he is out, someone could go through the 10 races just timing in but not a card and win the average,

[JohnJ]

I personally dont believe in them, miss a race or dont time in for a race and your out, a fancier could have 6 1sts and 3 2nds out of 10 races,but because he didnt time in with one,he is out, someone could go through the 10 races just timing in but not a card and win the average,

archie thats why its an ave the best of ie 10 races , i mind in my club mc cabe bros win 8 out 9 races did not time in the last race lost it

[ritchie1]

I personally dont believe in them, miss a race or dont time in for a race and your out, a fancier could have 6 1sts and 3 2nds out of 10 races,but because he didnt time in with one,he is out, someone could go through the 10 races just timing in but not a card and win the average,

yes well said fifer your quite right 100 percent

[robbiedoo.]

i think averges are there for all to win everyone sends there doos everyweek hoping to win the race so over the course of the season the most consistent flyer wins the the averages whether it be club or fed .

[JohnJ]

i think averges are there for all to win everyone sends there doos everyweek hoping to win the race so over the course of the season the most consistent flyer wins the the averages whether it be club or fed .

now thats 100 % true

[Guest IB]

Despite being hours behind winners, I won my first 'average trophy' in 2009 because I timed in in a race that others didn't. The Average (or Mean) result is always distorted by one really good or really bad performance. The only consistency in mine was 'consistently bad' but it still got me a trophy for 1 good result in 4.

[VMS]

I believe that the average trophy is the most important of them all,far to many fanciers cannot finish the race program which i believe is a failing on their part. The race program is they to be supported and completed by the members.

[WHITTY]

it depends on the ave whether it be time and distance or set points ave points ave in my mind is the fairest one

[Guest stb-]

i think averges are there for all to win everyone sends there doos everyweek hoping to win the race so over the course of the season the most consistent flyer wins the the averages whether it be club or fed .

dont agree there robbie , have seen flyer win 9 out of 10 old bird races and not win averages because they didnt or could not go to a race , and folk win them thats not been in the frame just because they sent to very race , have seen folk thats hardly had a ticket win them

 

so to me they mean nowt

[TREBLE D]

club averages, fed averages, national averages, when our club had 32 members back in 1984 and sent 500 birds a week you did well just to win and to win the averages was outstanding, but 2010 our club has 7 flying members that send 300 birds to sprint racing 80 birds to the channel and you could win the club every week with no fed cards or national diplomas won, so to me club averages are good to win but fed cards and national diplomas are better and mean more to me.

[dal2]

Personally i am tryin tae win frae Shap 45miles tae bourges 500 and whatever! I like racin and I like tae compete so if i win the averages in club/fed/nat then i am absolutely delighted

[JAS]

We are past winners of club and fed ave. We try to compete from the 1st race to last and if we win the Ave so be it but don,t send just to win ave. The north west fed a points cup aswell where the top 10 in the fed get points 1st gets 10 and 10th gets 1. If 1 was 1st five in the fed i would only get 10 points for 1st.So say T Blair was 6th he would get 5 points. As you can see you only get 1 go at points but you stop the next person from getting points. So that was the one cup we were realy wanted to win.

[Guest johnny s]

I think your are 100% robbiedoo everybody has the same chance if they put there birds in every week ,some lads get there birds from short races ,some get them from the longer ones ,simple the man that times every race wins it

[robbiedoo.]

I think your are 100% robbiedoo everybody has the same chance if they put there birds in every week ,some lads get there birds from short races ,some get them from the longer ones ,simple the man that times every race wins it

thanks johnny i dont know about other feds but our fed is realy competive and i know of a good few fanceirs in it who set there stall out at the start of the season to try and win them

[Guest spin cycle]

i think they are useful. when starting out i aimed to try and finish as high as i could. it gave me something to aim at and meant i was disciplined to get my birds 'over the ground' as much as possible.even my 'little' club of just ten lofts has good competition with 3 different lofts winning the english.scots and yb avs this year

[dal2]

I am not sure that the number of members in a club have much to do with the prestige attached tae winnin the averages. I race in a club wae seven members in which is one of the most competetive clubs in the fed. If i am winnin the averages in this club(which is not often)then i would be over the moon.

[JADE]

i find the fanciers who say averages mean nothing are the ones who cannae win them. points may define the best fancier but you could have a top sprinter who wins the first six races and enough points to win the trophy then cannae time in after 300 miles.

[Guest stb-]

i find the fanciers who say averages mean nothing are the ones who cannae win them. points may define the best fancier but you could have a top sprinter who wins the first six races and enough points to win the trophy then cannae time in after 300 miles.

TRUE ON BOTH PIONTS BUT NOT ALWAYS THE CASE , ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW FANCIERS WHO OFTEN DONT SEND TO FIRST RACE SO THEY ARE NOT IN AVERAGES BUT FLY EXSTREMLY WELL AND COULD PROB EASILY WIN THEM IF THEY WANTED TO TAKES ALL KINDS

[alec guinness]

What do PB members think about Averages, whether it be Club/Federation/National ?

 

Do members aim to win averages, and go all out to do so?

 

Or do you look upon winning an average as an added bonus?

 

Have you ever lost a good bird, due to simply chasing an average?

 

Thank You

 

yes, yes, and yes.to the questions.

 

have been lucky enough to have won club and fed averages in the 80s,90s and 00s,and yes as some folk have pointed out you can win an average with a good bird in the longer race after maybe not being that good the rest of the season,you can also win the avs flying great from start to finish,i think that most clubs and feds have more average trophies than you think being 2 race avs first 5 av, inland avs, old bird,combine, y/b the list goes on.and yes averages are important to clubs feds and even nationals as we must have a start and finish point to a season especially in todays climate with very much less fanciers. :)

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Do members aim to win averages, and go all out to do so?

Always start the season with the aim of competing in every race be that club or national, this is not done just to win the averages, it is done because of the competitiveness within me to succeed each day/week.

 

Or do you look upon winning an average as an added bonus?

Very much so, Infact it has to be one of the biggest bonuses you can win within the sport.

 

Have you ever lost a good bird, due to simply chasing an average?

No as if its not in good enough condition it wont go to the race.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

We are past winners of club and fed ave. We try to compete from the 1st race to last and if we win the Ave so be it but don,t send just to win ave. The north west fed a points cup aswell where the top 10 in the fed get points 1st gets 10 and 10th gets 1. If 1 was 1st five in the fed i would only get 10 points for 1st.So say T Blair was 6th he would get 5 points. As you can see you only get 1 go at points but you stop the next person from getting points. So that was the one cup we were realy wanted to win.

 

If any club/fed has a points trophy then the format John has given above has to be the best for fairness, this gives the short/long distance fanciers a more equal opportunity to win it, rather than having a sprint fancier winning it because he took the first 10 positions in the fed from a 70 race whilst flying to a good location and with a helping prevailing wind.

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Look Guys, Everyone to there own thing, no matter what it is as don't really think there are any rights or wrongs . Each and every one of us have different priorities and have our own beliefs whether it be sprint, middle, distance , O.B. or Y.B. Averages and Points. We all go to the races wanting to win and anything that comes our way is always welcome no matter what it is. As has been stated you can go to the first eight races and beat me by one minute each race then on the last I beat you by 30 minutes so that would then make me a much better fancier than you on the season (from an outsider point of view by looking at times only). I don't think so. We set our stall for what we want then go for it and then if we are successful we have achieved our goal and had a good season and that is all that matters. Look at a number of results whether club fed or national and you will ALWAYS see the same names appearing on them , this to me are the top men. So good luck to all for the coming season. :)

[Wiley]

my opinion averages dont matter, i wouldnt go to a fancier to purchase birds because he had won the averages, theres only 2 things that matter and thats club champion and federation champion,

[alex young]

I think the winning of averages means more in some areas than others.In the club I race in very few compete for them for several reasons,we start to early with old birds so miss the first couple of races,they want a break between old and youngbird racing so skip the early races and when the channel races come around some prefer specialist races and nationals to club races etc. So as we are down to 17 actual flying members very few compete for them.