SNFC /RPRA

[eastcoaster]

 

Harry i dont know if you know this but that rule 2 is to protect against mob rule, and in case you have forgot the SNRPC have 350-400 members and had 200 members there to vote for a rule change that compares to the SNFC having a 1000 members and only had 120 there to vote for the status quo.

 

Harry wish you all the best but this topic should be left for fanciers who want to see 1 national club in Scotland.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

 

HEAR HEAR or is it HERE HERE  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

[rembrant2coo]

 

Harry i dont know if you know this but that rule 2 is to protect against mob rule, and in case you have forgot the SNRPC have 350-400 members and had 200 members there to vote for a rule change that compares to the SNFC having a 1000 members and only had 120 there to vote for the status quo.

 

Harry wish you all the best but this topic should be left for fanciers who want to see 1 national club in Scotland.

 

cheers

Gareth

 

Gareth we did,nt have the amount of members your quoting at the time of that meeting it has grown to that number now ,because of the disillusion from some members ,of the way

the s.n.f.c. committee have been running things you have said so yourself , even now your not happy with the quoted race prog ,we all wanted one national Gareth it was not to be mate o.k. i,m finishedwith this its deadnow bye  

 

[Guest bigda]

we are  going to bring the too clubs down  in Scotland, the snrpc @ snfc  cant come together now, as its  a big heed wee heed  delegates  thing,   a bit like the dog in the manger the  snfc have  the  upper hand, as was first  club,  and old traditions  if any way it can come together its only through transportation,  to the same race  point, the good thing about that is the velocity  between the too clubs   but the down side could be the  pools  and prize moneys, then i hear some say the  don't  do it for pools but moan at the cost to send         ,  but a bit of  pool money  comes in handy for you  to be able  to keep your cost  down  in the winter, and therefor be able to  stick at the  racing game  a bit longer and buy a new stock bird  to beat  the section that they are in, not pooling birds in the nationals is in my opinion

dumb as it lets every one know 1 that  you have no faith in your birds, and 2   your  management is also  crap as you would send any bird  to distances  and it would not bother you  if it went down,  competition is  what its all about  not  delegates and head honchos

[Guest IB]

I was not a member of any national club at the time of the breakaways.

 

I chose to join the SNFC.

 

I have no problems opening up the membership. But I would guess that even if that was done, there will still be a SNRPC, because there are those 'on both sides' who have their own reasons to want the rifts in Scotland continue.

[andy]

You have just started up the comedians again frank, what response was you expecting ,

Gareth has put you in no doubt what they want , so where has this all come from, some blown up subject brought up at some night out or a presentation i presume, pie in the sky.To start with the S.H.U. will not wear it .  

 

Harry,

Read my post- no 8. Its time to move forward not look back, and resolve things. It doesn't matter whose right and wrong, it's dinosaurs like you thats stopping progress being made. Being an SNFC member I will concede that at the present time its leaders are CRAP>>

[Guest]

i was kind of hopeing this thread would not slip into a slaging match i only wanted to get the feel for the situation in scotland just now and i realise there are some still hurting on BOTH sides still but if we cant at least talk about this without slaging one another well that might be my  ansewer lets keep the strong personal views to our self and see if we can get a true sample of feelings and get back to the  thread topic

[Novice]

I know for a fact that many members of the SNRPC would be reluctant to rejoin the SNFC as they are enjoying "hassle free racing" at the moment. Their words and not mine.

 

However I wonder who would supply the measurements for RPRA members flying with the SNFC.

The reason I ask is that RPRA members are entitled to free measurements which is a big bonus especially when we change race points frequently.

 

I also assume that RPRA membership would still be mandatory to compete in section M of the NFC. Therefore people who were really interested in flying long distance races would benefit from RPRA membership as opposed to SHU membership provided RPRA measurements were acceptable.

This may have a detrimental effect on SHU membership.

 

I am interested in all comments.

 

Incidentally how do you feel on this subject-----Frank?  

[Guest]

clocky i think after the meeting with the shu and the rpra a line was drawn in the sand and they resolved the prob. regarding suspensions so i dont think that comes into it but why should that be a prob the members of the snrpc are all clear members with there union so if passed at the snfc agm they would be all right for them to join the snfc but i would think the snfc would have to affilate to the rpra to allow for the apeal system to work for members of both unions

[THE FIFER]

clocky i think after the meeting with the shu and the rpra a line was drawn in the sand and they resolved the prob. regarding suspensions so i dont think that comes into it but why should that be a prob the members of the snrpc are all clear members with there union so if passed at the snfc agm they would be all right for them to join the snfc but i would think the snfc would have to affilate to the rpra to allow for the apeal system to work for members of both unions

 

Frank what rules would the races be raced under and who would deal with apeals , would be great to have one Scottish National,

[DOVEScot]

maybe i should have made this a poll for or against feel free to do this mods i dont know how

 

Ask a mod to lock it and start a new thread with a poll

 

I am starting racing this coming year in partnership with Billy and we are definately using ETS, I gree as a passionate scotsman that there should only be one national in Scotland and having no ties to any I have heard both sides of the story good and bad

 

Ask the members first what questions they would liked polled in a yes or no

 

Example

Do you want one national in Scotland

Any registered loft in Scotland should be able to join any organisation

Should suspended members be looked at on an idividual basis

 

[Guest]

i dont know archie but the snfc has its own rules i would think it would be theirs with small changes like the right of appeal to your union etc. the only prob  with a poll dove to get a true idea it would need to be only members or intended members of both clubs that should vote that might not be fair

[DOVEScot]

i dont know archie but the snfc has its own rules i would think it would be theirs with small changes like the right of appeal to your union etc. the only prob  with a poll dove to get a true idea it would need to be only members or intended members of both clubs that should vote that might not be fair

 

It is one way another is to post your answers openly

Yes/No...Do you want one national in Scotland

Yes/No...Any registered loft in Scotland should be able to join any organisation

Yes/No...Should suspended members be looked at on an idividual basis

 

[Guest]

yes that could work the only thing is some may be shy/or something else may stop them posting in open form with the post thing at the start no one knows how some one voted

[THE FIFER]

i dont know archie but the snfc has its own rules i would think it would be theirs with small changes like the right of appeal to your union etc. the only prob  with a poll dove to get a true idea it would need to be only members or intended members of both clubs that should vote that might not be fair

 

would it be possible to have an apeal committee to deal with them rather than the unions, I am sure all those things could be sorted if the past was put aside

[Guest]

yes archie thats what the snrpc has i think it can allways be got round and as no one has ever been in this position we would both need to forget what hapened in the past with the unions we both belong too

[Novice]

yes archie thats what the snrpc has i think it can allways be got round and as no one has ever been in this position we would both need to forget what hapened in the past with the unions we both belong too

 

 

Very valid point. Here was I thinking that this was progressive thinking from the SNFC when in actual fact they are cloning what the SNRPC already have in place.

 

Oh dear

 

[DOVEScot]

yes that could work the only thing is some may be shy/or something else may stop them posting in open form with the post thing at the start no one knows how some one voted

 

Then it would reflect what happens at meetings some stand up and be counted, some never say anything but want to but are frightened or too shy or not confident enough, some dig in and and keep digging making the hole bigger etc

There is no perfect way but at least some should try to move forward.

Or to get a true reflection a postal ballot/referendum should be sent to every registered loft in Scotland with a free post return and counted by an independant adjudicator and results posted in a national paper and brought to the attention of all governing bodies

[ChrisMaidment08]

i say no to all the propersitions you lot wont have anything to argue about if one nat scotland and it will be boring not reading comments so a resounding   NO

[Guest]

do you just like the controversa chris lol then move to scotland

[ChrisMaidment08]

do you just like the controversa chris lol then move to scotland

 

no but i do find it intresting the comments from both sides good and bad

[Guest]

good chris thats what the thread was put up for hope it keeps reasonably friendly so it can continue no boring stuff here well for the jocks any way

[ChrisMaidment08]

not for rest on here thats why im not putting things on it to make amusement

[Guest]

its good to read plenty of good comments regarding the recomatation but few are saying if the would vote for it thats the question???????

[ALF]

Let's hope we can get this resolved at the SNFC AGM and let everyone in Scotland race their pigeons together 8) 8) 8)

[frank-123]

the first thing is open the door and talk both new committee's sit down and see if they can agree maybe joint convoying to start

trust is needed on both sides

there has been many good things and bad with the creation of the snrpc/snfc split lets take the good and work on them

 

as i said before there are hardliners on both sides who wont want to give an inch if they are not happy with a merger leave them out lets get the ball moving and thats what the snfc proposal will do but it will still take time