Preparation for 500miles+

[Lennut Tar]

 

Roland, I could drink a gallon of whisky and still spell better than that  ;D You have entered the twilight zone mate.  ;D

 

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!, but you must remember now (grin grin) we are only pigeon flyers etc

"Not God" & if we had to pass a spelling test to be here online, many of us would be missing "Big Time".

PS, you just hang in there Roland "PMSL" because I can understand your wisdom etc ??????????? at least most of the time, anyway.

Enjoy.

 

 

[Guest]

Well done Roly good to see you've had a great night.

[Guest]

 

I've never timed a day bird. Had one on second morning in first Lanarkshire Fed Channel race a long time ago, when I was a teenager. I hope to be at my first National Channel races this year - so I could not and did not post advice on how to prepare pigeons for these events.

 

What I did post was a clear understanding of the standard my birds will need to meet to be up there amongst the leaders.

 

I'll be following the thread myself (and other future ones like it) to get ideas on preparing my own candidates.

 

Aye 15/16 hours they are rare; good luck Ian hope you meet your expectations cause whether you're in Scotland, Ireland, Wales or England expectations are no different

[hotrod]

albear. im not kidding you on mate, but listen am not saying every bird can do it but if you have only long distance birds like me then every bird in the loft should be able to fly what we call 500 mile racing (thats france to us) most of our races are between to me anyway 496 miles arras  to   reims 590 miles  .Next you have to sacrifice a lot ,ie,club racing because if you only have a small team like me im sorry but its one or the other. then once you have the will to win just like the birds work your socks off like me .OK this year my hen KARENS GIRL 1st open 590 miles 2@ 40 mile tosses ,1st race 2o2 miles  2 weeks later 2nd race wansteadflats 357 miles 14-15 hours on day timed at 10.50 pm dark .sitting 10 day eggs at basket 3@40 mile tosses,2@65 mile tosses leeding up to race sunday night as i let my yougsters out she came off the nest wanted out so i did she flew over 2hrs with young ,she was last to land by the way,same monday over 2hrs ,but tuesday i never let her out i left a bit of flying in her  basket wed ,as for feeding plenty of carbs+fats before they go maybe last 3 or 4 days peanuts or  peeled sunflower seed ,by the way HUMAN consumption peanuts only every thing else lots of ways to do it

[Novice]

 

Exactly!!!! Sorry to say but Albear is more than a 100% right if possible.

Sorry to say, and I am as nissed as a pewt, but a very clever, realist once told me several time times. 'If you want to make aname for yourselve, and be a National winner MOVE to Scotland!!! and it is so very true. Still feeding the tic beans, still rac9ing witha wng and a prayer!

 

Perhaps my interpretation leaves something to be desired but this part of the post seems to indicate that the opposition in Scotland is second rate.

I wonder if I have read it correctly?

 

The only comparison I can make would be an above average fancier who left this area approximately 5 years ago taking his birds with him. He became a superstar south of the border in 2 seasons.

Perhaps someone could offer an explanation as I am confused.  

[ally mac]

albear. im not kidding you on mate, but listen am not saying every bird can do it but if you have only long distance birds like me then every bird in the loft should be able to fly what we call 500 mile racing (thats france to us) most of our races are between to me anyway 496 miles arras  to   reims 590 miles  .Next you have to sacrifice a lot ,ie,club racing because if you only have a small team like me im sorry but its one or the other. then once you have the will to win just like the birds work your socks off like me .OK this year my hen KARENS GIRL 1st open 590 miles 2@ 40 mile tosses ,1st race 2o2 miles  2 weeks later 2nd race wansteadflats 357 miles 14-15 hours on day timed at 10.50 pm dark .sitting 10 day eggs at basket 3@40 mile tosses,2@65 mile tosses leeding up to race sunday night as i let my yougsters out she came off the nest wanted out so i did she flew over 2hrs with young ,she was last to land by the way,same monday over 2hrs ,but tuesday i never let her out i left a bit of flying in her  basket wed ,as for feeding plenty of carbs+fats before they go maybe last 3 or 4 days peanuts or  peeled sunflower seed ,by the way HUMAN consumption peanuts only every thing else lots of ways to do it

 

Interesting stuff Hotrod.

 

What age is Karens girl?

 

 

[hotrod]

shes 4 years old and now retired as she is breeding the goods as well only one bred off her  has scored at 340 miles and 384 miles as yearling.

[Guest IB]

Perhaps my interpretation leaves something to be desired but ... seems to indicate that the opposition in Scotland is second rate

I wonder if I have read it correctly?

 

Wondering the same myself.

 

(1) There's only one race in 2008 that demonstrates if you are looking for a pigeon to fly for (only) 12 hours, go down, get up next morning and still expect to win, then you'd better have a re-think - SNFC Race from Tours, liberated 8:45am in a strong SW wind, was won in Annan by S Ferguson at 7:58pm flying 553 miles vel 1445.

 

This was the only bird on the day, 2nd was timed at 5:46am flying 556 miles, vel 1050.

 

(2) Do agree that onset of darkness could be a factor in hours flown, but then when do you suppose this bird went down for the night? SNFC Alencon was a midday liberation. Can't recall time / wind. But there were no birds on the day, and the race was won by G Willox Peterhead at 10:58am (next morning) flying 631 miles vel 1107.

[hotrod]

IB all iv,e been saying is say theres 2000 birds at say alecon say 550 miles   to central scotland liberated say 5.30 in morning with little or no wind how many would you expect to see home at close of clocks 10.45 pm i would say maybe between 5% + 10%  what do you think

[Guest]

albear. im not kidding you on mate, but listen am not saying every bird can do it but if you have only long distance birds like me then every bird in the loft should be able to fly what we call 500 mile racing (thats france to us) most of our races are between to me anyway 496 miles arras  to   reims 590 miles  .Next you have to sacrifice a lot ,ie,club racing because if you only have a small team like me im sorry but its one or the other. then once you have the will to win just like the birds work your socks off like me .OK this year my hen KARENS GIRL 1st open 590 miles 2@ 40 mile tosses ,1st race 2o2 miles  2 weeks later 2nd race wansteadflats 357 miles 14-15 hours on day timed at 10.50 pm dark .sitting 10 day eggs at basket 3@40 mile tosses,2@65 mile tosses leeding up to race sunday night as i let my yougsters out she came off the nest wanted out so i did she flew over 2hrs with young ,she was last to land by the way,same monday over 2hrs ,but tuesday i never let her out i left a bit of flying in her  basket wed ,as for feeding plenty of carbs+fats before they go maybe last 3 or 4 days peanuts or  peeled sunflower seed ,by the way HUMAN consumption peanuts only every thing else lots of ways to do it

 

Hotrod thank you, pleasure to  read the above and yes as you point out nuts for us. Fantastic performance. I was only trying to be factual in terms of 15/16 hours on the day and supporting Asha because what he was saying was right, but in no way was I trying to put down your performances or Scot's performances; as a cross bred part Irish, part Welsh, part English and possibly other parts I have no idea of, I doff my hat to you.

I am small team to and would hope one day to emulate your acheivements down south. But because of cost and time with road training I use club races as training.

My performances don't compare to the above but this is how my best cock was prepared race wise

Yearling cock , his 1st race 123 mile, then 158, then 1st channel 225 (8 hours on wing 2nd club 2nd section only two on day in section, mid day lib) two weeks later 304 mile 2nd again 6th fed 10 hours on wing, Tarbes 3 weeks later (had 50 mile toss with one of my 473 mile club candidates on saturday before basketing, both 473 miles home in 1hr 20 mins, he took 2 and a half hours was I sweating, I imagined he'd been hawked!!) he was 78h open 556 miles 4500 birds. Sent two yearlings to Tarbes the other prepared as above and had him next morning.

My 473 mile winner had similar but after 304 miles, went two weeks later to 380 mile, then two weeks later to 473 miles, he was two year old hopefully he'll come from Barcelona in 2009, to time him in race time will be my aim and I would be delighted!!!!

Best wishes for 2009 and I hope you make the hat trick

Alan

[Guest]

 

 

Perhaps my interpretation leaves something to be desired but this part of the post seems to indicate that the opposition in Scotland is second rate.

I wonder if I have read it correctly?

 

  

 

 

Haven't a clue where you got that interpretation from. To try and compare fanciers in different parts of the UK is stupid. The routes I think can be compared for different difficulties but not the fanciers. I think it is a biggoted view to believe you have beter fanciers than anywhere else where ever you live. I would be delighted to have a loft full of Hotrod's flying down here. But in terms of route, now I mention it, my birds have over a 100 mile of water to get over the way we fly scots birds tend to have only a small amount of water to contend with because your liberation points are more easterly.

[hotrod]

brilliant performance mate hope you keep it up ,i think it was derek hay (delboy) who said its about getting them to peak thats spot on thats the hard thing that nobody can tell you how to doits all about trial and error but its differant for every bird ,by the way mate im not the best doo man around and dont come anywhere near some of the fantastic fliers who come on here but im allways trying to get there hopefully i will  with another couple of top performances

[rembrant2coo]

brilliant performance mate hope you keep it up ,i think it was derek hay (delboy) who said its about getting them to peak thats spot on thats the hard thing that nobody can tell you how to doits all about trial and error but its differant for every bird ,by the way mate im not the best doo man around and dont come anywhere near some of the fantastic fliers who come on here but im allways trying to get there hopefully i will  with another couple of top performances

 

very interesting post hotrod [mustard balls ],,, on your preparations for your candidates for this year coming , will you be carrying out the same procedure or will you have learned anything new to add ,having been with the in crowd of late ,have you learned anything there other than  the slagging you receive,, we would all lose out mate if it was just  10 to 12 hrs mate , your right in what you say time in on the night would be great

unfortunately it only happens for a few of us ,, and then your 2nd like me , 15--18 in some cases

or your not at the ball to get the honours

[hotrod]

im  up for trying new things all the time ,thinking about chillies instead of mustard lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[alec guinness]

 

I've never timed a day bird. Had one on second morning in first Lanarkshire Fed Channel race a long time ago, when I was a teenager. I hope to be at my first National Channel races this year - so I could not and did not post advice on how to prepare pigeons for these events.

 

What I did post was a clear understanding of the standard my birds will need to meet to be up there amongst the leaders.

 

I'll be following the thread myself (and other future ones like it) to get ideas on preparing my own candidates.

 

IB, very honest answer,amazed at some of the quotes regarding wing time and distance flown and also percentages homing from 550mls into west central scotland on the shift,myself have been racing and scoring snfc 500-680 mls for 30 years,doos on the shift at 550mls into west central scotland are like hens teeth [very scarce] just a wee point highlighting the hardship of distance racing into the west section with very few fanciers and birds achieving the ultimate goal!!!

[b.massey]

Hotrod are you the only person ever to win a national from Port Glasgow. I go through there while attending Dunoon show and some performance to get a pigeon into there never mind win?? Sure I read somewhere that??

[Guest]

got to get involved in this ive knowan hotrod since he was a we sh-- and his energy regarding doo,s is infectious in my 28years in and out of racing ive met some very good/different doomen there are two that stick out to me that i have been lucky enough to be very friendly with stewart is one(hotrod)though i dont know where he got that name from remember i know him very very well both of thease guys stick for different reasons hotrod for his ability to make an average doo a good doo, a good doo a great doo, and a great doo a national winner racing into the pits of the world but we dont allways agree on every thing and have had some very heated discussions regarding wind/time on the wing which way the birds come up the country etc but preparing a bird for thease races is something i wish i knew half of what he does and ive had some good results in nat over the years mostly because of loft pos and good doo,s from stewart and others now in another thread i ommited to tell that i fly some of hotrods breding and in the last 2 years ive had/got 2/3 handy birds comming through from his stock but i am only getting to the races this year that they were bred for so keep your (bunnet on big boy) and i have in the last year wrote on a few threads about my red hen and bl/pd hen down off a sister to hotrods nat winner i agree with alot of the threads but i think rose made some very relivant points what works for one might not work for others i strive to get a bird to fly 15/16 hrs and this is where me and hotrod have had words i dont know if they actualy do that it is a fact that many a nat race is won in scotland with a flying time of 16 hrs but the big question is did they go down (i dont know) i like to think not stewart might prove me wrong on that one aswell preperation for 500mls many roads lead to rome and i think thats what makes this such a great sport if it was a sicence then we would all be able to do it and it would become boring but your right allbear we need to learn from great fanciers god iam starting to get like roly with thease threads lol

[Roland]

True... didn't remember what I wrote last night lol.... Knew of course it would be reality lol

Thought I might have a red face and some sorry's to dish out! Now tsk tsk I'm sorry I haven't  ;D ;D

But the simple fact is, your birds, regardless of systems, and beliefs, MUST have a great love of home. That is the force that drives them on when it becomes a little harder, further.

Of course conditioned etc. But with out the love of home, contented and feeling same SAFE.

[Guest]

True... didn't remember what I wrote last night lol.... Knew of course it would be reality lol

Thought I might have a red face and some sorry's to dish out! Now tsk tsk I'm sorry I haven't  ;D ;D

But the simple fact is, your birds, regardless of systems, and beliefs, MUST have a great love of home. That is the force that drives them on when it becomes a little harder, further.

Of course conditioned etc. But with out the love of home, contented and feeling same SAFE.

 

i think your rite there roly love of home is a very strong incentive especialy the longer they  are in the basket

[Guest]

 

i think your rite there roly love of home is a very strong incentive especialy the longer they  are in the basket

 

Hope your hangover's sorted Roly and Joyce is loking after you   Yes love of home is a great one but I have to say for me quality of pigeon comes first. But a story which you could argue either way. I remember back in the 70's in the Gurnos Club in Merthyr  we had a fancier called john Saunders who became club secretary after I became sec of the workingmens club. Now John was not a very successful fancier in the 6/7 years he had been flying I don't think he had taken a card and his birds tended to be of the wilkinson sword variety, fed on chicken corn. Don't remember the exact year but I think he had a stray yb come in to him at the end of the 70's he duly transferred it and it had every race as a yearling and the same as a 2yo through to Thurso. Then he sent it to Lerwick, on basketing it was remarked how thin it was and he'd never see it. It was the only bird home in race time in the club and was something like 2nd section 6th open Welsh North Road Fed the biggest fed in the UK at that time. So what got that bird home, constitution or love of home??

[Roland]

I believe both. Without constition they fold, with out the love of home, constition isn't needed.

As I posted, when bringing in any new bird(s) their constition must be the first primary thing to go for. Now I believe that you may well find that in the eye. First thing one should always look at when entering the loft is their eyes. They will tell you straight off what condition they are in. Must be bright and alert. Yes sure different circles / time of day etc. may mean different variations of this. But they must read to you straight off.

When picking that pooler, often the one winking at you is the first home. Never had a sad looking eye first home ye. Indeed wouldn't send one now a days.

Also one must have confidence in the person that you are having the birds off.

[Guest]

sorry i jumped past the constituation and quality as i assumed that when you send to over 500mls the the bird should come from a 500ml family and been tried and tested maybe something a distance fancier takes for granted once you start to get birds on a regular basis you know that the important thing now is to get it prepared properly feeding training/races etc the words hop/skip and jump come to mind

[sapper756]

Thanx for the replies folks, some really good responses keep em coming

[Guest]

 

IB, very honest answer,amazed at some of the quotes regarding wing time and distance flown and also percentages homing from 550mls into west central scotland on the shift,myself have been racing and scoring snfc 500-680 mls for 30 years,doos on the shift at 550mls into west central scotland are like hens teeth [very scarce] just a wee point highlighting the hardship of distance racing into the west section with very few fanciers and birds achieving the ultimate goal!!!

 

Hi Alec where on the West coast are you. I ask because I remember staying at Ullapool on holday about 14 years back. I always wondered if there were any fanciers north of the line between Inverness and Ullapool particularly up the west, a most inhospitable area to fly to I would imagine. I know Ally is up at Oban and heck they will be some performances from him if he strikes in the long nationals.

ADD On - sorry just realised you said West Central, is that sort of Ayr area?

 

[alec guinness]

 

Hi Alec where on the West coast are you. I ask because I remember staying at Ullapool on holday about 14 years back. I always wondered if there were any fanciers north of the line between Inverness and Ullapool particularly up the west, a most inhospitable area to fly to I would imagine. I know Ally is up at Oban and heck they will be some performances from him if he strikes in the long nationals.

ADD On - sorry just realised you said West Central, is that sort of Ayr area?

 

hi, north glasgow.