Paratyphus ?

[pearse1888]

hi was just wondering whats your views in vaccinating for Paratyphus if you do how much is it and for how many doses thanks !!

[pigeonpete]

Have never donr before, but as from december, they will be done every year, Think its £34.50 for either 80 or 100 dose  

[pearse1888]

Paratyphus 50 doses Price: £29.70  hyperdrug.co.uk

[pigeonpete]

Paratyphus 50 doses Price: £29.70  hyperdrug.co.uk

 

cheers new it was something like that :-)

[pearse1888]

will you being your youngsters for this to ?

[pigeonpete]

a big yes mate :-)

[BLACK W F]

jab them at 19 days old for paratyphus and parm  no probs then

[pearse1888]

both on same time mate ?  :-/ lol

[BLACK W F]

thats it mate only way no messing  

[pearse1888]

thanks mate

[BLACK W F]

no probs

[mart]

When would you recomend doing your old pigeons? before you pair them up or after.  also do you vaccinate every year or just as young pigeons?

 

thanks

[BLACK W F]

every year for param   i am going to do my old birds just shortly for parat    after i have treated them with baytril

[ch pied]

anyone thinking of doing a vacc for sam & ella , would do well to make sure they have a treatment with a sulpha drug like  :  cosumix , furaltadone , theraprim , trimsulpha , or an anti-biotic like amoxicillian or baytril , at the correct dose . the bird's must be clean before they are vacc . then again you could go-ahead and be lucky & get away without the pre -treatment . OR un-lucky and have very big prob's . JMO

[Guest Owen]

ch pied

I am glad you said what you did. It is really important that the birds are clear of the disease before you start. It is also critical that the birds are rested after the antibiotic treatment and before the vaccination. You would ruin the the effects of the vaccination if there were any of the antibiotic in their systems. I always treat my birds with multivits and probiots after the antibiotic treatment and the vaccinations.

It has got to the stage that the race baskets are pools of infection. We can not afford to not to vaccinate. And it is vital that all the birds on your property are done to avoid harbouring carriers.

[Roland]

Yes owen, I believe, - and a very good Avian said more - that 1 out of three birds / lofts are infected with such or similar strains of devilment like samonella. Unfortunately many are 'Carriers and too many fanciers don't realise their birds have it , let alone check for ... So will obviously never treat.

Prevention is fine, but no way fool proof, and one must stay on top. Injected birds can still be affected, or become carriers.

[the dude]

    

 

 

    owen is right you must also give immune booster for 4 days prior to injection   livimun is agood one hope this helps

[Guest chrisss]

its sounds like a plan, but can some one describe what they do from the start to finish?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I raised this subject a short time ago under a different heading.  Fanciers seem to have very different views on this matter, ie. whether to vaccinate or not.  I contacted Auchincruive regarding it and the vet there said he did not think it was a problem in the UK, but put me on to a pigeon vet for further investigation.  I have not yet been in touch with him.

As another train of thought; prior to vaccination, a course of antibiotics is required to clear any disease already present, then boosting the system with multivits and rest.  If this is carried out successfully, what benefit does one then have by vaccinating the birds?  I presume the pre-treatment would be required annually prior to vaccination, so why not just pre-treat and monitor?

[greenlands]

Paratyphus 50 doses Price: £29.70  hyperdrug.co.uk

Looks like everything else mate it's gone up.

 

http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Colombovac-Paratyphus-50-doses/productinfo/COLPARA/

Lindsay.

 

[Guest IB]

I raised this subject a short time ago under a different heading.  Fanciers seem to have very different views on this matter, ie. whether to vaccinate or not.  I contacted Auchincruive regarding it and the vet there said he did not think it was a problem in the UK, but put me on to a pigeon vet for further investigation.  I have not yet been in touch with him.

 

Posted similar for over a year now in response to people who don't have figures to back up their statements that 'every loft has paratyphoid present'.  The people who do have the figures, DEFRA and SAC (Auchincruive), say different, in fact they say there's no problem in UK, in domestic or wild birds.

 

As another train of thought; prior to vaccination, a course of antibiotics is required to clear any disease already present, then boosting the system with multivits and rest.  If this is carried out successfully, what benefit does one then have by vaccinating the birds?  I presume the pre-treatment would be required annually prior to vaccination, so why not just pre-treat and monitor?

 

Again I've raised questions elsewhere about this so called antibiotic treatment prior to vaccination. The favourite appears to be Parastop and its given purely and simply because those that use it believe it to be performance enhancing. If salmonella had been present, then the bird would develop antibodies against it. Antibiotic may clear the bacteria, but the antibodies remain. Vaccinate when antibodies are present and the vaccine likely won't take (read your pmv vaccine leaflet about affects of presence of antibodies for confirmation of this (maternal antibodies).

 

And isn't paratyphoid vaccine required every 6 months?

[demolition man]

helps us out here where do we get all these pr-treatments because i jabbed for parthoid last year and they raced like sh**. but they look like picture now.

[Guest bakes]

you can get BELGICA PARASTOP SACHET 5GM from taylor choice priced at £1.60 per sachet or a tub 150gms for £33.49 link for you

 

http://pigeons.taylorschoice.co.uk/products/166800_belgica_parastop_sachet_5gm.php

http://pigeons.taylorschoice.co.uk/products/166833_belgica_parastop_150gm_tub.php

 

all the best.

[demolition man]

you can get BELGICA PARASTOP SACHET 5GM from taylor choice priced at £1.60 per sachet or a tub 150gms for £33.49 link for you

 

http://pigeons.taylorschoice.co.uk/products/166800_belgica_parastop_sachet_5gm.php

 

all the best.

 

Is this a treatment before jabbing?

[robbiedoo.]

i personaly dont vaccinate for paratyphoid dont see the point for doing it for the sake of doing it like IB says defra reckon there is no problems with it in this country . what i do is give a so called 4 in 1 pill thats pro active and negitave agaist para its also for canker thats why i give them it twice a year. about salmonella bob macdonald got it years ago and after consulting proberly the bet pigeon vets there is knowing bob . had to cull a heap of doos as he was told there is no cure for it .