Has The Time Come To Stop

[eastcoaster]

For me, 1/ well bred pigeons 2/natural immunity 3/ fit pigeons be it by road training or loft fitness And mentally right,

And fed right for race also

Everybody who handles pigeons on the Friday night can pick the lofts that are going to be at the front. In most cases

Yes hawks play a large part in the race. But the same people are winning

If no young bird racing. The peregrine would just come to the lofts for a easy meal ( I have had them at my lofts)

For me it’s Its the same guys winning and have best returns, I also think sprint pigeons win but in a funny race can also lose a lot more as distance pigeons just plod in with better % of returns, or this happens in my loft

My Welsh pigeons pigeons on a good day hammer my distance pigeons if they get a bad start they still win but I lose a high % of them

The distance pigeons only score in short races when they have a bad start with good returns ( mind this is only in my loft that I have observed over the years)

Small convoys have a high % of getting hit from 100 miles + it’s down to luck if you don’t get hit

Most bad races are when they are getting hit at the start. Liberations

Most folk talk about what needs to happen. And very few do something about it

David can I ask do you train your Ybs

[dkj]

Not normal. But this year I gave them one toss as I moved house

[eastcoaster]

Not normal. But this year I gave them one toss as I moved house

Thanks

Is it because you don't think they need it and what kind of losses do you incur ,

Interested because you are one of the top fanciers in the country but are bucking the trend of Ybs need training .

Thanks

[dkj]

Because they rake the sky’s without training and if I trained they would stop flying at home, no brainer for me , this year they had one toss and 4 races out to 180 miles

I don’t lose anymore than the people that train

Think I dropped about 20%

[Valiant Fifer]

Because they rake the sky’s without training and if I trained they would stop flying at home, no brainer for me , this year they had one toss and 4 races out to 180 miles

I don’t lose anymore than the people that train

Think I dropped about 20%

That's interesting and I see what your saying Davie plus their bred of tried and tested pigeons and top ones at that.

Have to ask though do you basket train ur ybs Davie ?

[eastcoaster]

Because they rake the sky’s without training and if I trained they would stop flying at home, no brainer for me , this year they had one toss and 4 races out to 180 miles

I don’t lose anymore than the people that train

Think I dropped about 20%

Thanks

[hotrod]

That's contrary to what the Clydebank members told me. 2 of them have chucked it for the season because of the losses and those still racing have been losing birds hand over fist.

Tell me when was the last time you had a straightforward race with steady returns and all home in a couple of hours ??

The two must be Arthur ankley and Tony Adamson . Who race with the federation, not with our club , me personally I had 3 races cockenzie and 2xdunbars , the three races were the best racing I’ve experienced in 30 years although I only raced 11 youngsters . First race 11/11 second race 11/11 and the third I missed my timer from week before and only sent 10 had 9/10 in 15 mins the other came about an hour later had been hit by a hawk . And just about everyone who raced with us had near 100% returns every week , as was said to me by all our members that raced it was the best racing for years and years . Ps I had about 20 tosses including 2 in transporter 3x races and had 100% returns every time . I would say I was lucky .

[dkj]

That's interesting and I see what your saying Davie plus their bred of tried and tested pigeons and top ones at that.

Have to ask though do you basket train ur ybs Davie ?

 

No I don’t basket train and I have corridor drinkers Only

[Valiant Fifer]

Ok Davie interesting as are some of the other points you've highlighted above which I mostly agree with.

[Delboy]

I read Paul's post very carefully and he states he has taken big hits before. But more importantly he also points out what is an indisputable fact, he has better stock than, well just about any loft you care to compare his with in the UK or Europe wide. And Derek did exactly what you pointed out in that particular race but he so posted a few weeks back he had 70 away and only had 40 on the shift. He had 21 away at the weekend and got 2 on the shift from 160mls, I'm absolutely certain he does not find that acceptable because he works his doos hard to overcome these situations.

But you never answered my question, how is Your yb seson going and how many straightforward yb races have you had this year ??

 

No John, I sent 63 and got 53 together, only 49 registered and all in 22 seconds, ( not a few minutes as Johnno says ) and I got 63/63. A different story a couple weeks later when I sent 70 to Hexham and ended up with 51/70 after a few days. Our race at the weekend was unbelievable. It wasn't actually a race, it was an endurance. I ended up with 5/21 but that took 3 days expletive remove. As I said, action is needed immediately to save our sport. ps. I will be away training my latebreds on Saturday to help out, as I always do.

[Delboy]

When flying ybs from 60-80 miles in Scotland returns are usually good but when feds go over the 100 mile mark into the North East of England the problems start to occur. I could suggest, lets all go back down the west and clear the route down that way before racing commences. As long as they are healthy, the positives are 1. their wont be clashing.2. no Bop.3. then no problems in my opinion. All this can only work with the route being clear.Worth thinking about it, I'd say.

[Delboy]

I can hear the jungle drums starting already.' Derek Hay wants to go back down the west ' well that's COMPLETELY wrong. I only want peace for my pigeons to RACE home without getting constantly attacked by BOP en route. I was actually talking to someone today that told me flying the north road is very good regards the BOP problem. Is this another avenue to consider?

[Bobby4]

I can hear the jungle drums starting already.' Derek Hay wants to go back down the west ' well that's COMPLETELY wrong. I only want peace for my pigeons to RACE home without getting constantly attacked by BOP en route. I was actually talking to someone today that told me flying the north road is very good regards the BOP problem. Is this another avenue to consider?

How many tines have a said to you del about goin north deff worth a try

[Delboy]

How many tines have a said to you del about goin north deff worth a try

 

Talking to a fella today m8, he got 38/39 from 120 MILES at weekend. He says returns are usually great but velocities always slower than expected

[Delboy]

Do we race our obs south and ybs north? Another one for the think tank

[Delboy]

Ive also said for a few years that the best training you get is late October December. Do we have a few short races then ?

[Andrew suckle]

Get good racing if u let Doos go in the afternoon that’s fact. Get guys that want to sit till it’s fine to lib

[Bobby4]

Do we race our obs south and ybs north? Another one for the think tank

 

I for one will not be racing ybs next year down south obviously ther more perrigrines south off Glasgow there would be no reason for perrigrines north off Glasgow .as thee no racing pigeons there.an as we know that is there main source off protein.

[Pinefield Doo Man]

I for one will not be racing ybs next year down south obviously ther more perrigrines south off Glasgow there would be no reason for perrigrines north off Glasgow .as thee no racing pigeons there.an as we know that is there main source off protein.

 

 

Don’t know where you get your info there are no perigrines north of Glasgow, up here in Elgin we are practically wiped out by the time we reach Dunfermline 100miles.

[Dooheed 5]

I for one will not be racing ybs next year down south obviously ther more perrigrines south off Glasgow there would be no reason for perrigrines north off Glasgow .as thee no racing pigeons there.an as we know that is there main source off protein.

Thats a belter ????

[Andrew suckle]

I for one will not be racing ybs next year down south obviously ther more perrigrines south off Glasgow there would be no reason for perrigrines north off Glasgow .as thee no racing pigeons there.an as we know that is there main source off protein.

expletive remove Kevin are u having a laugh Percy everywhere

[Bobby4]

expletive remove Kevin are u having a laugh Percy everywhere

 

Haha honestly I don't think there is .Percy goes were the grub is. started off on west an they have spread ryt across the country but I do believe their are not saturated the north no racing birds comes down the west from the north .their is hardly a bird in the sky up that way .a would gamble an say you would not have the carnage we are having no chance jmo

[Delboy]

Haha honestly I don't think there is .Percy goes were the grub is. started off on west an they have spread ryt across the country but I do believe their are not saturated the north no racing birds comes down the west from the north .their is hardly a bird in the sky up that way .a would gamble an say you would not have the carnage we are having no chance jmo

 

The Ayrshire north road line of flight seems to have less Bop anyway Kevin, that's what they have said. BOP is everywhere but totally saturated in some areas as you say.

[Andrew suckle]

Haha honestly I don't think there is .Percy goes were the grub is. started off on west an they have spread ryt across the country but I do believe their are not saturated the north no racing birds comes down the west from the north .their is hardly a bird in the sky up that way .a would gamble an say you would not have the carnage we are having no chance jmo

I think ur far from it mate. Lucky to let Doos out without Percy about. If u want north try it

[Bobby4]

The Ayrshire north road line of flight seems to have less Bop anyway Kevin, that's what they have said. BOP is everywhere but totally saturated in some areas as you say.

 

A honestly believe that .Percy hot spot were pinpointed many years ago south off lesmahagow Crawford Abington etc an s.w off Scotland an south wales they now have went ryt accross the country an up the east coast also nests in every cathedral in england try traveling up north west ye hardly see birds never mind Percy's.a also think the Ayrshire boys are getting hit at they'r home side .it's a thot an as a say would not be as bad as what we are getting now