Davie, you arrange with an old man of 74 to clock your birds in and ask him to try and be there between 10.15 and 10.30 because the birds won't be up before 8.15 anyway so you fined out birds are up 30mins early, you can't get hold of old man to tell him as he's took his wife shopping before he can go to your loft, old man arrives at loft at 10.20 and there 5 birds in the trap waiting to be clocked and before you say ETS can't afford the rings. If they say next update is this or that time, birds shouldn't be Lid before that time especially in the shorter races.