Good post Walter, pretty much the same as me, My youngsters always range well and are gone for an hour or two, I don't start training while they are doing this as I can't see any gain. When they are ranging well I give them a light feed early morning and let them out and they are gone, I hate telling newcomers this as the scribes say this is what causes fly-away's but it's never happened to me in 50yrs. plus. I agree with Walter on not giving first toss a few miles up the road, when they are ranging well they cover many miles, 10mls. would be my minimum and it would be morning, the earlier the better giving them all day to get it right