I also started with the orange boxes. They were great. After I built my huts, the orange boxes became the nest-boxes. I used to keep tumblers, fantails and homers as pets, but touting was the thing in Glasgow and I soon learned it was expensive to get my pigeons back off the men who caught them, so they were swapped at the pet shop because once caught they would be easily caught again. The tumblers were a joy to watch, flying high and tumbling through the sky. The bonus was when flying them as a group and all paired up, the touters didn't catch them. My pal and I were always building huts for the pigeons and the local watchie was a boon when he was onside, especially when he was a pigeon man. Sorted our pigeons when they had cocci using washing soda crystals, etc. I have never had a proper racing loft until the one I am building now, but must have kept pigeons in around 6 or 7 places before moving to Kilwinning and meeting my first racing man. You know you are becoming older when the recollections of your youthful antics fill you with joy.