Roland

A 6 x 4 compartment - aeriated - would more than suffice. Keeps them tamer - if you are often in and move slow with a quiet voice, and easier to catch etc.

None. A pigeon is basically a pigeon.... Strains are pigeons made by a 'Good fancier' at the distance that they desire. Think a good topic would be 'What makes the Pigeon? I.e. a Good or cull. Systems and distances. Fundamental basis? Etc. etc.

Misses just back ... Racing Pic only ...

Nary a problem for me... I have never ever seen one on a Thursday though... But as I am never waiting for anything of importance in it I don't care. BUT the twise I was peeved was when / Sorry 3 times / when a mates weddings photos were in... 3 weeks late. the one in May I just got had some stuff that likewise the members were debating... and when I had a good write up lol.

Got my Dec 11th last week - end. Still nothing new there. The week before it was a May one! Honest.

Well Moscow Master, that be as it may, or may not be, but as a placebo it works, and it might send B/O/P/ On to the next feeding haunt. Like I say mate, too many Fanciers cling to useless myths, pay money out for them, and which are often even detrimental to their birds. Indeed one only has to look into their medicine cabinets. Performance enhancers etc. etc.

Carry on Peter. Personally I feel it might have the desired effects. You certainly do Plus it hasn't done any harm yet, so ... Not like the countless whims and myths totally useless, both proven and illogical, that too many take note of!

100% Dal2.

If they like / prefer your set up better than the old one ... no problem. If not so.... then

Well done to you both. Certainly a day to celebrate. Wish you many more.

Thrush is simply a canker. OR more important Canker is but a thrush. Hence treatment for thrush is same as for canker. There are about about 33 different strains of canker.

http://www.noliliesforcats.com/faq1.pml http://www.bing.com/search?q=lilies+poisonous+to+cats&form=PRGBEN&refig=c6730d2e6c2f46a08d6820e2a2cb98f5&pq=lillies+poison&sc=4-14&sp=1&qs=OS&sk=

http://a.msn.com/r/2/BBo0ry1?ocid=News Hell, everyone has a cell phone now, this cheap attachment could be a very cheap way of detecting if our pigeons have a sickness or not. Whole new way of checking the droppings right in the loft.

Seems we agree again Walter. Though today I left them in the aviary. Winds strong, and only Ferals having the odd circles. Nothing else being blown about.

If was mainly interested in sprints to middle, then locked down. If main interested is the distance, and hard days, then out every day.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Diclofenac http://www.rspb.org....diclofenac.aspx

A few causes apparently .... one that I am led to believe most likely is Heart attack. Second is deep rooted canker. Autopsy may be worthwhile to be pretty sure I guess.

Makes one appreciate not living in such areas of flooding. I really feel for those that do. I said to a mate, 8 years back or more after I had retired. 'Why don't them folks have a detachable Plastic cladding... would be easy to fix up. Could go up to the bedroom windows id so desired. Slot I and against the walls it would be solid and water proof. Easy to dismantle in better times. Cover doors and steps etc. A couple of years back I spoke to him again about it ... Seems now some have jumped on the band wagon and it is available. They make believe it needs to be thicker and heavier (Rubbish) and produce such at extortionate prices. Cashing in human suffering.

I use on corn, but not the oil, powder. Have done past 18 months. Along with Lime flour aided by garlic oil. Cinnamon to clear tubes, Lime for bones / feathering, I.e. calcium and Garlic as a preventive and blood cleanser. All natural.... But NONE what would be natural for the birds to have in the wild. Learnt this from Billy Taylor ogf the U.S.A. when he visited. Was surprised when I had the good fortune visiting Owen. An eye opener is his set up, and proven by results.

A very good post Da12. We - normally try to strengthen an ailing body. There again one - or some- give electrolytes to pigeons returning from a race.- I'd never entertain the idea. Gosh what pigeons go through in spite of us should be enough surely.

2 years back now in regards Y/B sickness - I wonder if any progress has been made. Via Gordon Chambers: Recently, the International Federation (FCI) based in Brussels has asked interested fanciers (as many as possible) from its member countries to complete a 25-question survey on their experiences with Young Bird Sickness (YBS). (Is the CU a member of the FCI?) In 2013,YBS was - not at all a surprise - endemic across large parts of Europe, with birds in some areas less affected than others. Fanciers whose birds hadn't been affected by YBS were also asked to complete this survey. Apparently the results will help the Veterinary Commission of the FCI with its ongoing investigation into YBS. Four internationally known veterinarians (including Dr H DeWeerd) who specialize in the health of pigeons are involved in this Commission which is led by the vice president of the FCI. Interested fanciers on the AC site can view the questions in this survey at www.rpra.org. I assume that some time after this survey, which ends in mid September, the Veterinary Commission will eventually report on its findings and possibly its recommendations (if any). Then further via Gordon: I agree that the questions in the survey seem to be pretty general but they may be a start in some more active probing into this condition. I continue to have concerns into all this general focus on E. coli in particular. Most strains of this organism are entirely innocent and are a normal part of the intestinal flora, so without determining that the strains isolated from cases of YBS are really pathogenic, what is the point of making a big deal if the E. coli is recovered from droppings? Trouble is that when fanciers receive a lab report that indicates that E. coli was cultured from these droppings or from the routine culture of normal droppings from their healthy birds, too many become alarmed and assume that it is significant and begin unnecessary treatments with antibiotics to eliminate it. This just upsets the normal healthy balance of bacteria within the intestines which, in turn, makes the intestines more susceptible to disease. To my current knowledge, even the Belgians who study YBS don't seem to know if there is a particular strain or strains of E. coli associated with YBS, but maybe with the results of this survey, they may begin to get a handle this aspect of the disease. In the past I have contacted scientists in Belgium about the E. coli found when YBS occurs in youngsters, but no one at that time had any idea of specific strains of pathogenic E. coli in YBS. Maybe the results of the current survey will add more focus to the actual role - if any - of E. coli strains recovered from cases of YBS. Gord. Now we know Ecoli takes 24 hours to bloom so to speak. We also know how easy it is in that 24 hours to eradicate it. Food for thought?

Have posted before, but still feel it is of an interest. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120319094520.htm Pigeons need to breathe too.

Read today it is going to be used on pre-tenderized meat as it kills E.Coli and other nasties. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120319094520.htm

Well I visit two doctor surgeries and READ the Posters scattered about trying to show / educate those feeling a need of antibiotics. Plus same around the hospitals notice boards. They have lists now saying where they don't, or can't help... like viruses' / Colds etc. Indeed the medical professions have for a decade or more been trying to cut down on their use. A 'Feel good factor' as stated above is often the reality No more than a Placebo. Not to say of course in a given case antibiotics are of use of course and obviously have their place. Best if a Doc / vet prescribes surely.

I see in another topic - Y/b's sickness and others, the clamour and so called uses of Antibiotics. Now the fact nigh every body hasn't an inkling what, why and how this is, but are happy to grab at baytril etc. etc. Antibiotics are poisons that work by building up to a certain concentration in the blood and once they reach the correct concentration, they become toxic to the bacteria (and other things) that they are intended to treat. They do not address the problem until they reach the required toxic level of concentration in the blood stream and this takes time. That is why the doctor / Vets always insists that patients take the full prescription at the time prescribed. The correct concentration of the drug in the blood has to be reached and then maintained to eliminate the disease causing bacteria. How many vets do we know that specialize in Pigeons? Indeed this goes too to most Avian vets. Antibiotics such as tylan, doxicycline and most of the other antibiotics used by pigeon fanciers are designed to reach the target level of concentration in the blood only after several doses and after two or three days of scheduled use. Giving them one day, say Sunday, after returning from a race is useless. The treatment adds nothing of value because one dose is inadequate to reach blood concentrations anywhere near what would be lethal to any disease-causing organism. The only benefit of abusing antibiotics in this way is purely psychological on the part of the fancier. It makes the fancier feel good, not the bird. What it does is build the resistance of the disease causing organisms by chronic under dosing and encourages the government food and drug watchdogs to push for bans on the sale of these antibiotics without medical supervision. Abusing antibiotics is more serious than most of the other silly things that we pigeon fanciers constantly do to make us feel like we are increasing our chances of winning. This is because this type of abuse can actually pose a threat to human health. The good effective drugs get banned or become less effective as a result and we only have ourselves to blame. Likewise and moreso with animals etc. the Willy - Nilly use, and the lame excuse 'So and So uses it --- probably has a lot more savvy than him that says that as it shows again treating blind. Ok here is a good well thought out remedies by chemists etc. As a thumb rule, regular strength tetracycline antibiotics like Terramycin are used for pigeons at 4 level teaspoons per 4 litres of water for 7-14 days, and Terramycin concentrate powder is used at 2 teaspoons per 4 litres for the same treatment period - so it's important to read the label to know the strength of product you've bought. As Hal says, the use of a small amount of citric acid (from lemons) - or apple cider vinegar - added to these solutions aids immensely in the absorption of this class of antibiotic across the intestinal wall and into blood vessels for distribution throughout the body. In chickens, erythromycin (commercial name: Gallimycin) is very useful in dealing with Mycoplasma species that are part of a respiratory problem. It is much less useful in pigeons since their crop bacteria destroy it readily (they destroy chloramphenicol too) so it is hard to get a good treatment level of either of these drugs into the bloodstream. Injection of chloramphenicol by needle and syringe gets around this problem. Gord. Oxfendazole is a member of the benz-i-mi-da-zole family which is a large chemical family used to treat worm and fluke infections. However, there is widespread development of resistance and their use is decreasing. They have broad activity against roundworms and a wide safety margin. There are several: mebendazole, flubendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, oxibendazole, albendazole, etc.. The most effective of the group are those with the longest life in the body - such as oxfendazole, fenbendazole, albendazole, because they are not rapidly metabolized to inactive products. Effective concentrations are maintained for an extended period in the plasma and gut. Mebendazole, flubendazole, and fenbendazole are effective against worms in the digestive and respiratory tracts of birds. Fenbendazole (commercial name: Panacur) is about 80-100% effective against roundworms but should be avoided because it can easily cause feather abnormalities in overdose. Other wormers: Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen): Broad spectrum wormer, a member of the avermectin family. Effective against roundworms, hairworms and stomach wall worms. Dose: 500 -1000 mg per bird. Can be dosed in the drinking water, but the efficacy of this method is debatable. The surest way is to treat the pigeons individually. 1-2 drops by mouth of Ivomec is the correct dose. The higher dosage is needed to treat roundworms and, for some reason, even this is occasionally ineffective. New generation avermectins such as Abamectin may be more effective. Abamectin is a relatively new product and is applied as drops to the skin; it is highly effective against hairworms and roundworms as well as external parasites such as lice and mites. It is currently available in Europe. Moxidectin: A member of the Milbemycin family, Moxidectin is a highly effective product that provides prolonged protection against re-infestation, effective against hairworms, roundworms and external parasites. It seems to be a relatively safe product that is used in the water and can be given during the breeding, moulting and racing seasons. Levamisole (Tramisol, Levasol, Ripercol): Good against roundworms (70-90% effective), but usually fails when used to treat threadworms or stomach wall worms. Dose: 1 to 1.5 grams per gallon for 1-2 days. NOTE: This dosage often causes some pigeons to vomit. This drug is an immune stimulant even at lower dosages. Piperazine: Effective against roundworms only, and only 60-80% effective here. Dose: 15 mg per bird (300 mg per gallon) for 2 days. It is best to avoid using piperazine. Praziquantel (Droncit): Excellent against tapeworms and flukes. Dose: 6 mg per pigeon once (1/4 of a cat-size Droncit tablet). Pyrantel Pamoate: Excellent against roundworms - 80 to 100% effective. Dose: 1-2 mg per pigeon – 75 mg per gallon for 1-2 days. Repeat in 3 weeks. Hope this helps a bit. But are we chemists?