Roland

I will do ... who knows might even get a cuppa with all the Northern hosipitality .... on the back door step lol.

and more, will eat youngster in nest etc. there diet is huge. As the mises etc. like to see themI am restricted and have to be content with just shooing them away as soon as I see them. I ence don't see a lot too near, but once they get fed....

Vikrom ia also good.

Thanks matey, I do love the ole fish and chips annal.

Hi, missis won't let me take me lap top so will give you all a well deserved break lol.

Well many 'Names' do this after trying out new stock f course to offsett their losses cost wise. A few genuine ones about granted, but the best tip I'd give is 'In you heart of hearts does the Fancier like you'1 Now I don't mean the purring and nod nod wink wink, brag brag and telling you in cnfidence con, I mean genuine like you! If so he will sell you what he believes will serve you well ... otherwise you may well be fodda'. JMO

Am up at Haworth (Bronte land) for a week starting this Saturday till next. If I see any pigeons circuling - and have a bar of chocolate for the misses as a sweetner- or a shop somewhere near lol ) I may well knock on the door and stay for up till 10 minutes till I've out lived my welcome lol.

Rats are rare in Canada as you well know, they are actually Banned there, we should do the same I guess. Raccoons etc. are tolerated by most, as they are night creatures and ...

So will Borak. Nothing grows, or moves, as nothing can exist aside of it.

Yep agree entirely Blackjack.

Has merit .... but before you are able to use you'd have to find another club as the majority would start a Non ET club and you wouldn't get in ... still a few years down the line the few left may well join up with you ... and as for Nationals, if the Clock is able or willing ... Meet them half way, be fair and get the thing sorted and dusted is by far the simplest and best way forward ... but when have the 'Cans / Haves' ever done that! So this unfortunately will drag on I guess.

No one in reality minds anyone, Sajfos, of having better pigeons, likewise the money and time, or loft managers to exceed with the sport. That has to be a certainy .... sure some will bemoan, be that the way the wood burns. T3's etc. were aceptable, and as are the Goldern Breeding pair if you can find and or afford them! That is surely part and partial to the game! But to knowing know you have an UNFAIR advatage, WHERE and When there is no need is a different ball game altogether. I personally like the idea of havin a ET. Besides the clocking the birds don't becoe trap shy, and if any one can afford, or be in a LOCATION where it is feasible to have one good luck to them, but not when an unfair advantage is gain - week in and week out and more so as the manual clocker clocks his birds. The whole point is also what it percieves to be, and what and where there is an answer. Of course I have put forward one which I persoannly would be happy accepting also the other benefits. And so should any far minded thinkingf man. Now if hey don't wish to be so, then they are saying 'Nuts, I'll take more chances and pay for the priveledge of getting an advantage.... I also accept that it may well be that many pack up, I accept that, what do I care! Also if the club / Fed are able or willing to do the ET's I know that it will some how be pushed through ... and the wrangling goes on! I'd rather as I say be fair and give them all 15 seconds and have the bnefits and the advantages.... But if I can be, then I won't have one, simple that I feel. Nor would I fly in a club that is supposedly a 'Sporting' club that takes an advantage. Now I won't fall out will any one over it, especially as the 3 clubs I am in, at the moment aren't interested and it is doubtful that they will be for quite some time now ... mores the pity.

And have accepted and live with them .... but when the like of your last post is utter it matters not a jot that it is the truth. P.s. it is the same groan and moans that are ignored day in year year. So belittling them, or moaning about moans doesn't change tha fact why people are leaving and you like so many other keep resorting to the same crap scenario. Yes Bruno it is 'People' ruining the sport, those able, but refusing to listen and certainly refusing to apply logic. Yes just another inch ... just another pece of straw ...

Pompey get real, it is just another 'Mill stone' that is stiffling the sport, another senseless, and selfish reason that will drive even more away from the sport .... sure some are about ready or had enough, but it is the blind and selfish attitude of the 'Have and the 'Wants' at any cost which make some fanciers pack up each and every year. Golly for one isn't it about time that a little less selfishness and a bit of honesty and caring was given to those that CAN'T. What I - and many others - criped about before is still the same as it now! The likes of your selfish bleating, and selfishshort sightedness. Nothing more, and obviously certainly nothing less. Example: So I want to compete in a National, but don't expect to ever be near winning one, unlike the five in the last 100 odd year - so the best I can hope for is a decent section reult. But like countless others I am placed in a section a 150 miles wide! And 145 miles of that is EAST of us! Never mind that the wind is predominately westerly, so fanciers like me leave, in the droves and compete for club results and the odd fed results. We accept the location there without criping! But when and where it coud be elevated to serve a vast amount of other fanciers to fly nationals.... 100's upon 1000's don't bother to aste their time and money prping up the coffers of the better located! Do they care!!! nary a twitch... better to fly against 5 - 600 than chance beat 5000 and not winning! Do they Know, yes everyone knows, but the rank and file just give up, and the same goes on, So Bruno is right, and it is a sorry sordid state of selfishness that keeps the number dwindling. And wouldn't I just be two faced if I went for a ET when others can't!!! So I won't. And neither will many! Let there be a show some sense and less selfishness, for many will just give up till there will be just a couple of hundred compete nation wide in so calle nationals.... till they too pack up. I'd rather be in the top 200 regular in the G. North Combine that in the top 20 of any National, because I would be flying a great bird consistly. So the rank and file have cripes and Commitees keep ignoring them selfishly, and the beat will go on ... for a little more of a while yet .... but only just!

Now you are in a different ball game Pigeon man YES there should be a penalty for T3'S and am glad you as others are fond of pointing this out. I reckon that 15 seconds is a fair amount of time taken - on average - to enter and catch a pigeon.... never mind the thimble and clocking! Also before you say 'Waal what about stall traps’, well as you know these after a short time are a lot worst as the pigeon gets sharp and wary, so 15 seconds there is really inadequate. But then 'Pigeon Man' you knew this as I and many others have told you! Yes Bruno that sentence I said that the same fanciers will be there is true, simple that, with or with out an ET.... But no need then for them to have even more or an unfair advantage is there!!! So they trap quicker and plonk in another 10 more before the manual clocker can get his in and clock, and not even a place where it is quite logical that his birds 3 or 10 were a quarter of a mile in front! So yes we agree on that, so why take the skin of thicker eh! And as for the same moans and grumps that is true, of course it is, because the grass roots are still being stitched up big time and have to hand out too many unfair advantages to the 'Haves' and that is why they moan, that is why so many have left and that is why so many more will leave, and you know what!!! You and others will say the same ole crass thing about they would have left any, By golly they wait 10 years and spent all that time and effort and threw away all their’ hard earned spare cash on whim and a prayer for 10 years so they could blame the ET! Get real, many will leave because the ET want their cake and eat and stuff the lot of them that can't have it! What do I care? They’ can race against 500 birds and call it a National. Sad jokers I guess.... well would be if the implications and cost are met.... which they will be. Me I'd rather fly against 800 birds weekly and get the odd nod and achieve something worth while than tin pot awards that are of very little merit .... And soon that will be a lot less!

Non taken, Golly I 've served up a few out of order comments before and wished Id bit my tongue. Though I feel your input was wholly justyfied, so never gave it a second thought. As for your .... 'I think the real problem with ETS is not the system its the way the system was brought in'. there is a lot of truth in that of course. But the real reason why many want one is that the benfits it has are secondary to the 'Advantage' gain every week, and even more when the non ET bird homes waiting out and looking for the owner to grab it ... they do become trap shy, and hence the good ones with more sense more so... Yes if on has time to tame them to eat peanuts of the tongue etc. But most of us aren't patient enough let alone ave the time too. Besides with all the obviosly good merits and benefits the ET has, and timing in generally any fair minded person with a sense of fair play would be only too willing to give non ET flyers 15 seconds. But that is where the crux lies I'm afraid, and the anti brigade have a very bad taste in their mouth, natutally! And all the B/S syndromes of make belief 'What If' ... and you can' crap won't ash a hankerchief. Give them their just dues and let it ride through and be fair for once. Less flyers means higher costs to those left each time regardles, and the same flyers will be winning regardless then, as now!

Likewise water for pigeons.... especially after a hot day's race.... !

System is everything I feel ...

12 miles and then 20, and wheat has go up with barley to nearly £6 a bag of 20k. Young bird mix is £7 : 80 and that will be their lot with linseed or a little added till race season.

Ronnie it is actually 17 seconds and that is taken from a cross section. Bully for you if you can get them to take their rubber of in flight and toss it into the clock before entering the loft. I myself am way over, but then I don't hurry and rush and spoil the birds at a leter stage from being trap shy. If the ET is passed in any club I am in I shalln't fly with them.... unless of course they all have one or an 15 second is added. And I can well afford one, but I don't wish to have, or seek an unfair advantage over any other member! Indeed I have to give away a fair distance in the EAST every week as other clubs shut the doors. But that is my choice as I wish to fly. But I wouldn't stand idlely by and watch others being taken for a ride!

Not true for pity's sake just how long can one bury their and spout any crap rather than just look at the realistic facts that the 'Grass roots' are sick and tired of the 'Able to distort and take advantage. Like say no wind can affect a fluffy ball of feathers, and Well if you don't vote you ... when folks are voted in regularly to look after the interests of the sport / fed / section Nationals for ALL their' members instead of falling in with the yes brigade and extorting even more advantage. Saw a very well know face on here just recently state that he was another that was packing in BECAUSE of the way the ET was brought in and the undermining of members wishes and the voice of the majority and the sneaky way the RPRA went about their underhanded way to cater for a few!!! And just look at all those that tried to put forward it was another REASON!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE FOR PETE'S SAKE! Gosh are there so many fanciers presents just waiting for the ET to be voted into their' clubs etc. just so they can pack up! Did all past members wait till they got ripped off to pack up? No not all just the ones hoping for a bit of sense and reasoning and a bit of fair play! Get real they state every week, week in and week out that the are getting peeved of, and still the old lame crutch is offered 'They was just waiting for an excuse to pack in!! Golly must one sign in blood! to pack for the reasons they say! .... No of course not, accept IT WAS FOR THE REASON THEY SAID! mind boggles!

A parish priest was being honoured at a dinner on the twenty-fifth anniversary of his arrival in that parish. A leading local politician, who was a member of the congregation, was chosen to make the presentation and give a little speech at the dinner, but he was delayed in traffic, so the priest decided to say his own few words while they waited. "You will understand," he said, "the seal of the confessional, can never be broken. However, I got my first impressions of the parish from the first confession I heard here. I can only hint vaguely about this, but when I came here twenty-five years ago I thought I had been assigned to a terrible place. The very first chap who entered my confessional told me how he had stolen a television set, and when stopped by the police, had almost murdered the officer. Further, he told me he had stolen money from his parents, embezzled money from his place of business, had an affair with his boss's wife, taken illegal drugs, and gave VD to his sister. I was appalled. But as the days went on I knew that my people were not all like that, and I had indeed come to a fine parish full of understanding and loving people." Just as the priest finished his talk, the politician arrived full of apologies at being late. He immediately began to make the presentation and give his talk. I'll never forget the first day our parish priest arrived in this parish," said the politician. "In fact, I had the honour of being the first one to go to him in confession ---- ! A man walking along a Californian beach was deep in prayer, when suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said,...... "Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish." The man said, "Please Lord, could you build a bridge to Hawaii, so I can drive over anytime I want?" The Lord said, "Your request is very materialistic, just think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking. The supports required to reach the bottom of the Pacific, the concrete and steel it would take plus it will nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that would honour and glorify me." The man thought about it for a long time......Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could understand my wife...... I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says, "nothing's wrong!" and how I can make her truly happy?" There was a long silence, and then the Lord replied, "Do you want two or four lanes on that bridge?"

Fire Brigade or Gas .... Niether can charge, as it is classed as a danger.... but Gas board want paying to re fit pipes, or leave a tape on the fire etc. But of course any 'Corgi' mate can do that too!

Could be we are classed as 'Cage And Aviary' or at best / Worst poultry. Bout time, as I have constantly harped we were classed as / or also a 'Sport'.

Yes Me! The ET will cost the sport very dearly, and none are so blind who will not see! Let alone want too!