Roland

No I am more than happy and will leave this as it is.I have PM you.

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Then you allowed them to ...

Good, and about time too!

I believe you Stu ... shame I can't afford your birds ;D No that's not a hint for a good deal lol :K) ;D but I believe you are, as I've told others, a genuine feather merchant.

True Mick, and no need to fib to you ... your not the wife lol.

Agree 100% I feel that Allbear is a 100% guy. Not saying that Timbarra isn't for a moment, indeed I do intend to visit his set up shortly.

The Scots aint caplable of the pronouncing Ov... like in Love or Dove, only OCK ooh andand sometimes ay and AYE! bEspecially Ock Aye which covers a multitude of sins lol ;D

Dove Cote, I've never heard of Dave Stone... but his name is on the photo's so obviously it appears he took them Great looking Birds and great pictures to boot.

MickB, with all due respect, if one actually believed those things I said which you pointed out, then the very essence of just Feeding and racing only, where the birds are never out of the loft, then this could never work let alone all the great successes that have and are being had, let alone the wonderful results of say Ricky Mardis!

Are you saying there is no need to train and pushing them on is a waste of time??? Never said no so thing... training is purely for fitness ... which is just an extension of condition. Which in reality EVERY thing together makes up condition. As for the last part, well took me yonks, like it does most sportsmen, and indeed 'Fanciers' to understand, and then come to terms with. Like the light hearted say ' Exercise! If not fit you shouldn't do it ... if you are fir then then is no need'. Fit men train to get fitter, no man can train to get fit; Likewise pigeons, only when they are loft fit can you start to train then, and then that is simply to get fitter. Y'b birds are a great example, they get them selfs loft fit... then you train them. And yes you can send them with great results straight into races. Have done. And know fanciers first toss that was a a Berwicke race of 269 miles where he was first five, and 2 Fed onwards. My y'b birds seldom if ever have more than three tosses - when I actually have time to bother to send y/b races - and straight in at 120 miles. Too many believe that they are treating kids, and what I posted before is obviously correct .... or I wouldn't have posted it! But one man's meat... and every one rolls there own dice eh.

£20 Must get this started

Made me laugh ... 'Auctioned off' then in same breathe says some lucky fanciers would get good birds for free! :K)

Yeah I perfer to see them released too ... and am way back before them Lol. : : :'( ;D

Never thought there was Tubs, But will be at a meeting on Thursday - doing a 'Fund Raiser' for youth football team, and the Sec of that is that same sec. If any different then be sure I'd post as such.

Hamster with respect, no one knows the answer to that! - The first to know will be worth millions lol - What one must do is give them a warm dry hotel and encourage ontentment. Then any and everything can follow. Yes theorist all one wants, but how one hopes that taking a bird a little further into unchartered lands because you have LEARNT the pigeon where it is is beyond me. Quiet words around the birds with no sudden movements and a few tibbits is the starter. They RANGE AND developed their' own sectrests, and if they want to home they will ... if not they won't. But in any contented and routine system a lot more will than won't! You help them to sharpen the fitness only, and remember 'One has to become fit, then train to get fitter ... one can't train to become fit. Good luck.

£2 a basket... and then just see the members sharing and cramming them in the baskets! No price is or will ever be deemed fair, more like 'Can't be that dear'! Then watch them train seperately again hoping to steal a march.

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A council person can't turn up an view your loft, let alone enter it.... only if you permit this to be so. Also they must give you in writing the name(s) of the complaintant and their complaints. As long as it is over 8 feet high and 12 feet long it is legal. Mind there may be some by - laws ... but in any case these can't superceed the Goverments rulings.

Sorry I thought it was called PIGEONS Basics, and as such it also has 'Show / Fancy pigeons as well as other topic. Indeed I believe that ANYTHING related to pigeons.... Could be wrong I suppose and having a tubbles day! And if one cares to ask, you can have shows provided certain aspects fall in line with DAFRA ... So ask them Tubbles. If the Sec says it is legit, then you can bet your bottom dollar it is so... and legit!

Tubbles says 'ALL shows should be cancelled as these are gatherings according to DEFRA. Is it worth risking the wrath of defra just for the shows. they could just blanket ban in future if pigeon shows go on without licence. Then not even the cries from the RPRA will be listened to and that will mean no racing'. What has that got to do with going to a show that is legit?

Well I know I am probably showing some birds this week - end if I can get there. Seems that it is legit...

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So SECTION placing are again the reality for most!?