Roland

Further give Frank Bristow a ring...

Well Jim Biss, through his mate, bought many great Distance birds... and also bought big later from Dordin, and a few others etc. Yes because every one knew etc. these got a mention... But I always heard Jim Biss pigeons...

Well have the Clothes line outside of the garden then ... sure the Laird wouldn't mind lol ;D ;D

Yes when studs do that, they may well, indeed often, take the total paid and give a false figue for the top bird's price...

And quite rebust, but again of course easy to strenghen Dicky Darky.

Yes very popular in the States, and saw most using them in Canada. Very easy and simple to make, and will fold down to flat 3 inches when not used. Indeed many I saw and spoke to just had one or two in the boot, taking hardly any room. Meant to bring some back with me last time ... will do next time. Have photos and measurements etc. if any one pm's me. Well hope I still do, am sure they are in my pictures.

No such word as Eyesign, or like in Belguim.... was debates, and very heated ones apparently at that in the 1920 / 30's between many of the top boys on all sides of the channel. Ad SChw says a lot on the non believing side of it and the Belguims views etc. But then what do I or he, or others know for that matter! We can only pay the money and take our choices so to speak. Often, I believe, that pigeons win / shine in spite of us. An if it works ...

Yes IB I also, like the maestro's own kin also say that. Read an interesting article written / or quoted Jan Arden's son who said 'I, never mind any one else, had very few of his birds when he passed on, and very quickly none at all, or their offspring ... Yes her we are 50 years later when the likes of America -etc. have lofts full of the genuine pure strain'. This even he foundhard to believe apparently, when he would have loved to have kept the 'OLE' family going. Makes one wonder... so onto pedigrees, these must surely - evn by the most honest of honest Studs / fanciers etc. only pertain from what that line won / produced etc. This to me personally is the one and only reason - as far as I am concerned personally -why a pedigree may be of use...What it's parents done and produced... and after the last 3/4/5 - depending on your hopes - it is negligeble JMO

Personally I don't see why a post that doesn't agree, likewise a person that doesn't agree with the eyesign theory neccates that they / it is against it. There in nothing to gain - either way by aguing whether it has benefits or not... Just some it helps, and others have other ideas. I, personally, can take it or leave it, and as of yet it has no sway with my views of it one way or another. I am sure that 70% of so called non believers feel the same way. So I feel jack that you have also a complex. Further I will add that what does iritate me, and many others, is that it will spread to any and every site topic. This I feel must be kept in check... I mean why are ther three headings the same under this heading!@ :-/ :that in it's self is sad ( . Further no need. I may look in at the topics and read, like countless others, but because I don't - at present - believe in the theory, that in no way applies that I am anti, let alone against, again like countless more.

Busseart said it right ... 'When in my loft ... they are Bussearts'. That for 'Strain' as I see it. Now as for 'Families' I believe a period of 4/5 years is needed to set this up, and like every one else, the all important 'Introduction's' This can / must be still able to be called 'Family'.

[spurs on their way to Wembley eh! Is there a country and western night then? ;D

Only as good as the person is honest. If you have a report with someone, and you feel right about them, that they care and want you to do well, that a kind of kinship, that they have a good reputation, then surely it is a good bet ... if not stick to your own whim and a prayer Remember you are only investing in 'Genes / blood, not the seller or his reputation ... and there are very few good stockmen about in reality, though many will give you all the help / advice and generally well being. ... likewise some are just shysters as in any walk of life. So if you like each other - or respect, then buy, if not spend the quiddies on good feed and training. - and wait till you do.

None so blind as thoses that won't see eh! ;D ;D ;D ;D Like clicking them faces though, eh ;D Can't see eh! : : wel that'a a crying shame :'( :'(eh Mind like I said, Itried but don't seem able to master the art of posting pictures... :B :B :B :K)

Andy no disrespect to Jim Biss, an awesome and fabulous flyer of the highest . But one must remember for instance, where he moved to ... like so many 'Nmaes' An ideal set up for the South Rd.. I believe also that when he left London he did well on the South road, but not like after he moved. And HE didn't fly North, now I wonder why! He certainly had the area, and the number of birds ,, and money was of course not a problem. North lacked Meriteous awards most likely, and there are also many other hot spots.

Andy no disrespect to Jim Biss, an awesome and fabulous flyer of the highest . But one must remember for instance, where he moved to ... like so many 'Nmaes' An ideal set up for the South Rd.. I believe also that when he left London he did well on the South road, but not like after he moved. And HE didn't fly North, now I wonder why! He certainly had the area, and the number of birds ,, and money was of course not a problem. North lacked Meriteous awards most likely, and there are also many other hot spots.

Depends if you want them to go on the floor or not, or if you intend to feed them there like. Great idea racing to an avery. As long as a little shelter from bad elements you can't beat it.

Waste of time that eh! lol ;D ;D :'(

%5B/img%5Dplastic%20cladding%20over%20a%20massive%20air%20vent%20eh!%20Panels%20easierly%20interchanged%20depending%20on%20weather%5Bimg%5D Grills left to be washed via elements for a few days. This kills nigh most nasties, and then washed in bleach, and let outside to dry for another day.

Realism, and more contented birds. I have tried to put photo's of my set up onto 'Pigeonbasics' to no avail. I have some store in Adobe, and what not... can't even seem to be able to send to say 'My Documents'. Yes they do come up on Pigeon basic' when opened... just don't take, so any pointers help in tis regard would be welcomed.

They go by alphebet then ... after part yard. Seen 38 timed in together with same time, yes all with the same time - as I posted on here the result sheets, not one but several - yet all the ET did, and possibly could do was goe via the alphebet.

I have 12 breeding pairs and 3 teasers in a 6 x 5. Depends on how the air circulation is dealt with. As long as it enters the bottom say and hits the back, and goes up through the middle then the air must circulate. Otherwise, regardless what they may well suggest here, or and else where, it can quickly beciome stagnent. I though will admit I only need one round of yougsters ... If I wanted two then the nest box would be 2 feet deep instead of just the one. Then I wold slowly bring the nest bowl with youngsters to the fore and slip another nest bowl behind.

Goes down to decimals, and there are oft many draws as you call it ... joint is perhaps more apt.

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Accordingly, the material allegations in the complaint are adopted and set forth in this Default Decision as the Findings of Fact, and this Decision is issued pursuant to section 1.139 of the Rules of Practice applicable to this proceeding. (7 C.F.R. § 1.139). Findings of Fact 1. Suvit Asawapornsnit, herein referred to as the respondent, is an individual doing business as Vegasrace.com (an unincorporated business) 2. Respondent is a resident of the State of Nevada, whose business mailing address is 5411 S. Oakridge Avenue, Pahrump, NY 89048. 3. On or about the period between January 25 and February 1, 2003, the respondent transported approximately fifty-eight (58) pigeons from Nevada to approximately thirty-nine different addresses, in commerce and through the United States Postal Service, in violation of a quarantine then imposed by the Secretary of Agriculture (“Secretary”) in designated areas, including at all times relevant herein, the area of Clark County/Las Vegas, Nevada in response to an outbreak of Exotic Newcastle Disease (“END”), 9 C.F.R. § 82.3 ©. Respondent violated section 82.5( of the regulations (9 C.F.R. § 82.5() by moving such pigeons out of an END quarantine area without complying with the requirements of 9 C.F.R. § 82.11. The respondent 3 transported the subject pigeons, with knowledge of said END quarantine, to the numbered parties listed below, between January 25, 2003 and February 1, 2003, as follows: 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) Dennis Turk 1 pigeon 1916 Sandpebble Street Stockton, CA 95206 S. David Plummer 1 pigeon 877 Signal Fruit Heights, UT 84037 Bill Jeffers 1 pigeon 7315 W. Union Hills Glendale, AZ 85308 Wally Sabell 1 pigeon 2451 Kipling Street, #314 Lakewood, CO 80215 Eric Houchin 1 pigeon 4132 E. Regina Avenue Mead, WA 99021 Neil Migliore 1 pigeon 20 Winchester Drive Mottontown, NY 11545 Barry Yu 6 pigeons 2112 Brenham Drive McKinney, TX 75070 Reese Bishop 5 pigeons 1143 Georgean Street Hayward, CA 94541 4 9) 10) 11) 12) 13) 14) 15) 16) 17) Jim Brennan 3 pigeons 15 Julia Court Tappan, NY 10983 Daryl Phelps 2 pigeons 38002 Parkmont Commons Fremont, CA 94536 Gayle Renfroe 3 pigeons 10913 Jackson Road Krum, TX 76249 Allen Hughe 1 pigeon 1110 Harrison Street Bristol, PA 19007 Dave Dudle 4 pigeons 714 W. Grant Avenue Pueblo, CO 81004 J.W. 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Jerome Street Allentown, PA 18109 George So 2 pigeons 178 Loneview Drive Daly City, CA 94015 6 27) 28) 29) 30) 31) 32) 33) 34) 35) Kevin Malley 1 pigeon 8 Sunrise Drive Stony Point, NY 10980 John Belland 1 pigeon 3196 Danville Boulevard Alamo, CA 94507 Bill Traw 1 pigeon 16630 Crossandra Lane Spring Hill, FL 34610 Bill Hill 1 pigeon 2930 E. 161st Street Bixby, OK 74008 Horst Thiel 1 pigeon 1654 El Dorado Way Redding, CA 96002 Richard Colson 1 pigeon P.O. Box 13 Turner, MT 59542 David Brotzler 1 pigeon 4565 Wild Rice Drive, NE Wyoming, MN 55092 Joe Hanzich 1 pigeon 18911 Angel Mountain Drive Leander, TX 78641 Ed Mills 1 pigeon 1217 E. 340th Street Eastlake, OH 44095 7 36) 37) 38) 39) Barry Venn 1 pigeon 1211 Garden Creek Road Casper, WY 82601 Ron Allen 1 pigeon P.O. Box 558 Rutherford, CA 94573 Dr. John Razmierzak 1 pigeon 568 Gand Avenue W. 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Still lucky you didnae buy really ... don't want any ole cheapo's cluttering up the logft eh! ;D

Go careful then eh! Think I'll insure all my birds for £25 each and pray for a break in ... hope it don't cost too much to adverise lol. Joking aside it a terrible state of affairs, and highlights the dispicable side of the world we live in.