Roland

Well puts my 'Cuppa Tea' to shame :B :B ... but it is a good strong cuppa in a mug! ;D

I think he means that flying up and over hills makes it's long /9er) ;D ;D But 350 is sprint upto 550 is fair to diddlum middle and over is classed as long. 700 or more is what I'd dem long personally. Why that's why they 'Names' like 'Noon' libs... so their s/sprinters catcth up at the waters when too dark to cross, and nip over to be classed as 'Distance' birds... whereas the rue grit / distance birds then have to battle on with cold muscles etc. and aches etc. and then lol and behold expect to beat the bird that's been in it's loft for 4/5/6 hours.

Some people are a bit bashful when voicing an oppinion, that's a fact, and many more are coupled with the fact that they wish to just post and not have a debate, let alone someone they know spouting codswallop at their' expence. These posters are entitled to the same code and ethics as anyone else, and without a non de plume wouldn't probably even look in, let alone post. The spikers are a different matter and if from same computer should be named. Simple really as all computers leave their number with every post. Know of a site where the code comes up with every post... no doesn't stop any flak, but does stop folks having 2 or more posting names.

Tossing is really just to get them fit! if doing enough at home then very little up the road of course. Season before last hardly tossed them before the race seaon. Then not even out, let alone trained.

Had a late bred - like many - Born September, won the scottish averages on it's own ... was also with daughters only day birds 2 years ago - only 9 in Fed I believe. But mostly I feel lae breds are great for two reasons... a reasonable way of buying in a 'Stock Loft' and racesd superb 18 months later if lightly treated. I may just give the odd toss year born, but most leave them to their own with a open loft. Then next season just a couple of races 150 milers. Them set their stool out the year after.

Paulo like most it was Jasenns crosses that did the damage. Blood pool for 'Blood' x's for races. Dare say that they was nigh as many crosses with Jansens as Buesearts, but ALL bussearts were sold... With great sucess might I add, where as Jansens was particular who had what and what from.

Bussearts... the working man at last competed, AND against and beating the 'Jansens'.

Simply everything you strive for is in one bundle called 'Condition'! Health, contentment, motivation, etc. etc. etc. All needed for Completeness. When a bird has it, then motivation, feed etc. are irrelevant. Like a bad trap... not in good condition! It is amazing doesn't one think that a bird does it's darnest to get hope... then sits out! - Unless a bad happening / trap shy, or spooked, it just doesn't happen... P.s sldom is a race lost via a 'Bad Trap' for it was most probably behind any way. Now if it wants home it TRAPS. or isn't in condition, an dthen it won't be winning anyway.

Me.... well I'm making the most of it till it racing, and the RPRA as we know it, is finished. - Won't be long, the knocker will stiffle all tye last air ourt and Spout a lot of hot air and crucify any genuine person that tries to improve. The favoured located with glip talk will soon wage even more influence, and the grass rootes (WHAT'S LEFT OF THEM) will tol the line and brag the know them whilst sticking money into their pockets. Will I then go over to the monatary siders, the haves and bolster their coffers to littla avail, and no hope of any decent merit, yet increased costs constanley to feed their pleasures... Nah, will just have a mixed bunch of fancy birds and s and a few ole Favourites till they pass on

No Gangster, they are too scared to leave there unless paying a toll lol Mind very few if any dare go and support their team at old traffold.... the price is too high, and that's wahy they allotted tickets never get used complete ... except home supporters ... :K)

Exactly, my sentments to a T. Undoubtedly top notch and if not the best around stud, then I must have blinked and missed the one that is!

No reason why not ... it is possiblely the fairest route, overall, when we go Ireland. Likewise in reverse I'd wager. Just flying opposite from us really. Pigeons have no idea which way, or preference they fly ... just members!

Agree 100%, and unfortunately that time of 110% and raring to go is still not good enough to be location. Never seen any 'Name' move to the West yet - unless circumstances dicate of course - and doubt I ever will.

Well that's good ... now for the birds eh! The feathered sort I hope lol ;D

Tut Tut Spencer, behave l:P ;D ;D

Oh how true, and didn't they just con the grass rootes eh!

The simple reality is that the 'Managerment made the pigeon what it is ... but then only able to limited improvement. So the better the fancier and better the pigeon... but is he only as good as the pigeon allows him to be... Of course!

Could be someone calls himself Guest for a crack like lol

and for the Ladies... The Facecloth This has to be read, laughed at and passed on. There is not a woman alive today who won't crack up over this! I was due for a smear with the doctor later in the week. Early one morning, I received a call from the doctor's office to tell me that I had been rescheduled for that morning at 9:30 am. I had only just packed everyone off to work and school, and it was already around 8:45am. The trip to his office took about 35 minutes, so I didn't have any time to spare As most women do, I like to take a little extra effort over hygiene when making such visits, but this time I wasn't going to be able to make the full effort. So, I rushed upstairs, threw off my pyjamas, wet the facecloth that was sitting next to the sink, and gave myself a quick wash in that area to make sure I was at least presentable. I threw the facecloth in the clothes basket, donned some clothes, hopped in the car and raced to my appointment.. I was in the waiting room for only a few minutes when I was called in. Knowing the procedure, as I'm sure you do, I hopped up on the table, looked over at the other side of the room and pretended that I was in Paris or some other place a million miles away. I was a little surprised when the doctor said, 'My, we have made an extra effort this morning, haven't we?' I didn't respond. After the appointment, I heaved a sigh of relief and went home. The rest of the day was normal - some shopping, cleaning, & cooking After school when my 7 year old daughter was playing, she called out from the bathroom, 'Mummy, where's my facecloth?' I told her to get another one from the cupboard. She replied, 'No, I need the one that was here by the sink, it had all my glitter saved inside it.' NEVER going back to that doctor ever!!

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Nature deems tha the dropping harder and rise, till as large as can go. Firm, warm rebust and healthy chicks as Mother nature intended. Simply put, that can't be beaten ... of course some may deem - unwisely, that as it is better to look at, and as cleaner better to their peril. Not good also to keep disturbing ANY nest as mother Nature has taught us very wll in the past.# But then us mere humans must know better than the creator eh ... or simply put, The pot tells the petter he is making him wrong

Please note that I spent some time with Stan Bishop some 50 plus years ago when eye sign was in it's infancy. It has progressed a great deal since then, and although his book will give you some of the basics, eye sign has since those days, progressed a great deal towards Iridology. Which ... This subject was hotly debated 30 / 40 years before that. Indeed strangely enough with the British and continentals ... which obviously never took hold in Belgium, as they don't not only not believe it, but there is no such word / theory for it there. Mind they do hae a 'Fixer' that is often used to grade and mate fanciers birds for them.... But he / she never looks at the eyes! Every one for their' own, but until some so called eye sign gurus' can at least agree, or put some basic fundemental 'Laws' together, then I'm afraid that it will never get much creedance.

Take the 'Up North' Combine, takes all the winning, and yet many seek just good so called Section Birds, and know little to next to none, chance of winning the 'Big One' yet that commands a lot more respect in achieving than any 'National' which here, like every where else favour the chosen few. Only way that any so called 'National' here could attract new flyers is fairer and more sensible sections, which in their own right bear the merit they deserve. Likewise abroad.

More natural corridor racing ... But I'd disagree with the 'True' National in any of them. Position is rife also, - of course it must be - and many 'Out of Position' lofts provide many so - called names with their birds, which are well sought after. Names - like here - are thoses wll posoitined / located lofts.

Hope resolved, have pm ed you.