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Can't lend you my handsome face gal .... thought this might cheer you up though... Have fun

Well Alf just show - even in this day and day with all the 'High Tech' how long long it takes to get out of Scotland :P ;D ;D ;D

And I was clearing away the Rust off the to make it a 'Shiney white ' too lol. Mind may use it for 'Treat or Trick' with the natives around here. ;D ;D

Any hollow substance can cause trouble with nasties up the tube like. I believe that Microwaving them is done to a decent effect.

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If I can.... As long as it ain't money lol P.m me

Does more on a bike than most can on feet. Now I won't be insulted if a Scot says on yet bike lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Z19zFlPah-o And good music too

Holmsidelofts I hope you are not drawing a whim out the air when you spout because ‘I’ don't know how to use one, for that is taking a line to draw a universe for sure :-/ Or do you if ‘Some’ can't use it properly it doesn’t mean others can’t. I'd agree with that. Firstly you state that one should go on a course, Quote ' ............. That’s why you need to go a course with a qualified vet like i and other have done and get proper training, £40 is all it cost for a days course with one of the top avian vets in the country, ...' This I take it then that you agree too many don't and should therefore by that very admission you verify my sentiments entirely. But you know the '.... hairworm, round worm, cocci, canker, yeast infections, thrush, bacteria like ecoli, respiratory bacteria, hexamita just to name a few.' that you quote are nigh commonsense sydromes, where most know without a £350 Micro job. However I take your point on board that Micro’s are in themselves helpful in controlling these. Even if most have clear tell - tale signs. Was conflabing with a University Honoury Doc that deals with avian and such ailments etc. They have the 'Dogs Ears' when it comes to equipment, yet they are limited. MANY diseases look similar. Some are secondary to the first symptom that shows up, but not the parasite one that masks it's self very well. So on that point I agree somewhat with you, that if one does invest in a Micro etc. it is foolhardy not to take a course and learn as much as you can. Indeed the pluses will no doubt out weigh the downers. Then again one must always be ready fot the Avian vet at times to help out. Fot the real nastiest - like the Salmonella’s strains take a time for even them to pin point. No Micro will help there and that’s for sure.

I think, personally, that 'Testing / Micro etc for ones self has been our biggest downfall. Too many with very little knowledge think they are whiz kids on the block. Unfortunately far more don't realise they aren’t! A little knowledge is dangerous as they say. Hence too many birds regularly, daily by the score EVERYWHERE all other our countries are not being treated properly. This causes the spread far and wide. Take years of study. Years of being taught by the best! Then tested as to the advancement regularly. Many exams, that has to be passed etc. Realistically GREAT equipment etc. etc., indeed the finest used. Even then many fail or don't make the grade. Something’s now are - indeed one hell of a lot doesn't show up in droppings, Bacteria swabs and needs blood examples etc. Then many more are needed to be taken to a Avian Vet for proper diagnosis.... Yes the back room Wally with his Woolworth’s 7/6 p micro knows better.... Yeah I should cocoa. Not say the odd few aren't able to decipher the minor illnesses / ailment etc.... but these are few I think. Further what ailments can be seen is even fewer.

Bird wise Open loft and Hopper fed. Back wise a hard matteress for a few nights. Yes first night is uncomfortable .... like most of yours are any way. In Thrapston, and this is very true, you have to be careful whom you tell lol. The sure fire remedy for a back back is very often very quickly cured. How? One might well ask. As you are walk up the road, often just chopsing to mates, they just push you in front of a car. Reaction is that you quickly jolt upright and scarper to safety. Back is put back into place just fine. This is true, and apparently it works just fine too. Know many times it has been done. Of course it has to be when least expected for it to work.

there are now quite a few. One only needs to ask a few renouned flyers who they us. I bet I can name at least a dozen in no time at all... with the odd phone call or Email.

Don't think for a minute that Dropping will show any Phar .... may be wrong but cerrtainly till comparatively recently it is a different test altogether. A bacteria Swab etc. Will cost a mite more. BUT you HAVE to ask them parcifically for it to be done.

Reminds me of jan AArdens son stating regards his fathers birds just 2 years -I believe - after he passed away. 'I can't understand how every one has ythem to sale... I had the last four pairs .... :-/ Yes here we are decades later still buying them close to the tree eh!

59 it was. Also I take it that the poster means racers. As for breeders / stock I think Stamvater took some beating! This bird was never raced, just another example of a great fanier knowing his stuf as a stockman and as a racer of course. Village was a bird and half too. Incidently Stamvater was aptly named, mean 'The producer'.

Great birds .... Bussearts original stock was Delbar. Will do the hard days and distance.

One often wonders, or at least I do, why is it that we tend to want to control just what the droppings are that we want, in a kind of way that this is best. Protien is firmer. Now if I feed a lot of linseed - or a little regular - regardless of the protein level, the dropping will be looser. A fellow fancier put it to me once saying 'Are your droppping the same always'? :-/ 'Of course not, and there are very many different reason why not, likewise wth the birds'! Now not to say if the bird is puffed up and lethargicto say the least and the dropping are sloppy that it doesn't need looking into pronto. Just change the feed / tempreture, even the droppings at different times of the day are different, no two ways about that. Yes I believe , Yes watch them, WITH the birds, but we tend to read too much into them too often. Gosh a wet one and some run to the medience box!

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/08/google-pack-adds-staroffice.html All free and pretty good. Has the google name too.

http://www.chevita.com/en/pigeons/symptoms/index.php Think one needs to have a doctrine in Meds to even understand most things. It gets far to complicated to be able to learn over night and that's for sure. Again it is great to be able to purchase this that or the other, indeed even in confidence. http://pigeons.taylorschoice.co.uk/pages/Pigeon_Health_Problems_and_Solutions.php But I'd err on the side of caution every time personally. We can all feed tic beans only, a pinch of 'Whey' a little oil etc. etc. Indeed soon be good enough for the show pens. But aren't we only masking the the cause, and getting the root of any problem is a must. Acruate diagnosed via a Avian Vet, and the use the rememdy suggested. This doesn't take away that fact that very much can and will be able to rememdy with expieernce etc. Indeed many lofts that have a good immunization, and naturual remedies - most clean feed, clean and fresh water regularly and allowed to build up their own constitution - yes granted sometimes they may need help is so desired to be put right - but fare far better. Indeed it is often when treated (especially willy nilly) that flood gates are opened. A good local fancier may well have the solution. Otherwise if not clearing up , or remedied, seek a good avian vet. Well worth £50 for peace of mind.

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His & Hers Diaries HER DIARY Tonight, I thought my husband was acting weird. We had made plans to meet at a bar to have a drink. I was shopping with my friends all day long, so I thought he was upset at the fact that I was a bit late, but he made no comment on it. Conversation wasn't flowing, so I suggested that we go somewhere quiet so we could talk. He agreed, but he didn't say much. I asked him what was wrong.. He said, 'Nothing.' I asked him if it was my fault that he was upset. He said he wasn't upset, that it had nothing to do with me, and not to worry about it. On the way home, I told him that I loved him. He smiled slightly, and kept driving. I can't explain his behavior. I don't know why he didn't say, 'I love you, too.' When we got home, I felt as if I had lost him completely, as if he wanted nothing to do with me anymore. He just sat there quietly, and watched TV. He continued to seem distant and absent. Finally, with silence all around us, I decided to go to bed. About 15 minutes later, he came to bed. To my surprise, he responded to my caress, and we made love. But I still felt that he was distracted, and his thoughts were somewhere else. He fell asleep -I cried. I don't know what to do. I'm almost sure that his thoughts are with someone else. My life is a disaster. HIS DIARY My Snowmobile wouldn't start today, but at least I got laid. Like the one that said Drat Man U lost ... but at least I got laid.

I personally don't think so Sam. Not for a minute. Indeed it certainly helps the system and further can help you to control and start a new regime in my view.

Well he should bring a 'Little Xtra' eh!

Bigda, just give us the name and addie mucker, c what comes of it!