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This may help a bit: Antibiotics Antibiotics are poisons that work by building up to a certain concentration in the blood and once they reach the correct concentration, they become toxic to the bacteria (and other things) that they are intended to treat. They do not address the problem until they reach the required toxic level of concentration in the blood stream and this takes time. That is why the doctor always insists that patients take the full prescription at the time prescribed. The correct concentration of the drug in the blood has to be reached and then maintained to eliminate the disease causing bacteria. Antibiotics such as tylan, doxicycline and most of the other antibiotics used by pigeon fanciers are designed to reach the target level of concentration in the blood only after several doses and after two or three days of scheduled use. Giving them one day, say Sunday, after returning from a race is useless. The treatment adds nothing of value because one dose is inadequate to reach blood concentrations anywhere near what would be lethal to any disease-causing organism. The only benefit of abusing antibiotics in this way is purely psychological on the part of the fancier. It makes the fancier feel good, not the bird. What it does is build the resistance of the disease causing organisms by chronic under dosing and encourages the government food and drug watchdogs to push for bans on the sale of these antibiotics without medical supervision. Abusing antibiotics is more serious than most of the other silly things that we pigeon fanciers constantly do to make us feel like we are increasing our chances of winning. This is because this type of abuse can actually pose a threat to human health. The good effective drugs get banned or become less effective as a result and we only have ourselves to blame. As a thumb rule, regular strength tetracycline antibiotics like Terramycin are used for pigeons at 4 level teaspoons per 4 litres of water for 7-14 days, and Terramycin concentrate powder is used at 2 teaspoons per 4 litres for the same treatment period - so it's important to read the label to know the strength of product you've bought. As Hal says, the use of a small amount of citric acid (from lemons) - or apple cider vinegar - added to these solutions aids immensely in the absorption of this class of antibiotic across the intestinal wall and into blood vessels for distribution throughout the body. In chickens, erythromycin (commercial name: Gallimycin) is very useful in dealing with Mycoplasma species that are part of a respiratory problem. It is much less useful in pigeons since their crop bacteria destroy it readily (they destroy chloramphenicol too) so it is hard to get a good treatment level of either of these drugs into the bloodstream. Injection of chloramphenicol by needle and syringe gets around this problem. Gord. Oxfendazole is a member of the benz-i-mi-da-zole family which is a large chemical family used to treat worm and fluke infections. However, there is widespread development of resistance and their use is decreasing. They have broad activity against roundworms and a wide safety margin. There are several: mebendazole, flubendazole, fenbendazole, oxfendazole, oxibendazole, albendazole, etc.. The most effective of the group are those with the longest life in the body - such as oxfendazole, fenbendazole, albendazole, because they are not rapidly metabolized to inactive products. Effective concentrations are maintained for an extended period in the plasma and gut. Mebendazole, flubendazole, and fenbendazole are effective against worms in the digestive and respiratory tracts of birds. Fenbendazole (commercial name: Panacur) is about 80-100% effective against roundworms but should be avoided because it can easily cause feather abnormalities in overdose. Other wormers: Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen): Broad spectrum wormer, a member of the avermectin family. Effective against roundworms, hairworms and stomach wall worms. Dose: 500 -1000 mg per bird. Can be dosed in the drinking water, but the efficacy of this method is debatable. The surest way is to treat the pigeons individually. 1-2 drops by mouth of Ivomec is the correct dose. The higher dosage is needed to treat roundworms and, for some reason, even this is occasionally ineffective. New generation avermectins such as Abamectin may be more effective. Abamectin is a relatively new product and is applied as drops to the skin; it is highly effective against hairworms and roundworms as well as external parasites such as lice and mites. It is currently available in Europe. Moxidectin: A member of the Milbemycin family, Moxidectin is a highly effective product that provides prolonged protection against re-infestation, effective against hairworms, roundworms and external parasites. It seems to be a relatively safe product that is used in the water and can be given during the breeding, moulting and racing seasons. Levamisole (Tramisol, Levasol, Ripercol): Good against roundworms (70-90% effective), but usually fails when used to treat threadworms or stomach wall worms. Dose: 1 to 1.5 grams per gallon for 1-2 days. NOTE: This dosage often causes some pigeons to vomit. This drug is an immune stimulant even at lower dosages. Piperazine: Effective against roundworms only, and only 60-80% effective here. Dose: 15 mg per bird (300 mg per gallon) for 2 days. It is best to avoid using piperazine. Praziquantel (Droncit): Excellent against tapeworms and flukes. Dose: 6 mg per pigeon once (1/4 of a cat-size Droncit tablet). Pyrantel Pamoate: Excellent against roundworms - 80 to 100% effective. Dose: 1-2 mg per pigeon – 75 mg per gallon for 1-2 days. Repeat in 3 weeks. Hope this helps a bit.

No! Lard mixed with salt doesn't infringe thier flight or flying ... if anything they slip through a wind slip stream easier lol. Salt. B.O.P. don't drink water ... might bath in a puddle etc. but DON'T drink as they get their fluids from the blood of their victims. So they can't clear the salt from their system. Pigeons do drink water of course! Was how they sorted all out before... If ever a carcase was found, salt was poured over it. the RSPB and RSPCA actually brought it out as a detterent to B.O.P. atacking pigeons as they certainly don't go back for more ... Well they got that right Rhubarb juice: This will render any bird useless in no time at all ... so one has to be careful hat bird it is put upon ... and don't want your pigeon to be able to preen it' self... nor a mate. Sheep dip: Goldern fleece for example will sort out any bird within 20 seconds to a minute. Sparrow Hawks will drop a bird, say a thrush, to attack an canary. It is unfortunate if the canary is house within a Glass tank, or behind glass. If not dead, one must be careful how one picks the S/Hawk up.... mustn't get it's head stuck under your foot for example.

Many, especially in places like Canada, the birds are housed and kept in a darn site longer than here, A. Weather and . hungry B.O.P. But never seem to have any ill effects ...

I will be rubbing salt and lard on the birds Head, Necks and Shoulders when I take them training / racing. If they must be eaten, at least they will do some ones loft a good deed. If only aALL did similar!

I think I have the answer.... Why only one loft / section.... i made some egg cake with Olive oil and put before them. The remainer I later put into the hopper for these birds.... taken a time to eat it.... not all gone... two weeks later. Of course this will have gone rancid and poisonous. Hence have threw it all out and scrubbed the hopper. Now it is a waiting game to see if and what happens.I will of course take the next - if one, but hopefully not - Live to an Avian Vet for A. first of a 'Blood Test' but will leave if neccesarily, for him to do as he must to seek, find and sort to conquer.

They walk amongst us ......... they really do! IDIOT SIGHTING 1 My daughter and I went through the McDonalds take-away window and I gave the girl a £5 note. Our total was £4.20, so I also handed her a Twenty pence piece. She said, 'you gave me too much money.' I said, 'Yes I know, but this way you can just give me £1 back.' She sighed and went to get the manager who asked me to repeat my request. I did so, and he handed me back the 20 pence and said 'We're sorry but they could not do that kind of thing.' The girl then proceeded to give me back 80 pence in change.. Do not confuse the girls at MacD's. IDIOT SIGHTING 2 We had to have the garage door repaired. The GARADOR repairman told us that one of our problems was that we did not have a 'large' enough motor on the opener. I thought for a minute, and said that we had the largest one GARADOR made at that time, a 1/2 horsepower.He shook his head and said, 'Lady, you need a ¼ horsepower..' I responded that 1/2 was larger than 1/4 and he said, 'NOOO, it's not. Four is larger than two.' We haven't used Garador repair since. Happened in Bromley, Kent IDIOT SIGHTING 3 I live in a semi rural area. We recently had a new neighbour call the Highways Department to request the removal of the DEER CROSSING sign on our road. The reason: 'Too many deer are being hit by cars out here! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing anymore.' Story from Crayford, Kent IDIOT SIGHTING 4 My daughter went to a local Kentucky Fried and ordered a Mexican taco. She asked the person behind the counter for'minimum lettuce.' He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg lettuce. From Gillingham, Kent IDIOT SIGHTING 5 I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an Irish airport employee asked, 'Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?' To which I replied, 'If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?' He smiled knowingly and nodded, 'That's why we ask.' Happened Luton Airport IDIOT SIGHTING 6 The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged co-worker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she responded, 'What on earth are blind people doing driving?!' She is a Local County Council employee in Dartford IDIOT SIGHTING 7 When my husband and I arrived at Our Local Ford dealer to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the driver’s side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. 'Hey,' I announced to the Mechanic "It's open!' His reply, 'I know. I already did that side.' This was at the Ford dealership in St Albans, Hertfordshire 8.. Worst of all......The Turkeys in May 2010 voted for Christmas and now we all are being roasted.. STAY ALERT! They walk among us... and the scary part is that is they have the *RIGHT TO VOTE * and *REPRODUCE! *

Any ideas? Went in to feed and clean the birds last night, all seemed well. Then noticed a hen on the floor, it was moving around ok. I thought she’d just laid an egg that was on the floor. I put that under another pair with one just laid. She was up and about. The after cleaning out saw her between the hopper and wall. Lifted her up and let her go… went like a house brick! Not happy so then watched her as she tried to walk with aid of her wings…. I picked her up let her go a couple more times. Both times never opened her wings. Seemed well and healthy. I took her out and disposed of her. This after noon all seemed good… Was cleaning out when a grizzle cock bird did the same. Thought time for an autopsy. Son came then, so didn’t cull but put him in a spare cage, for today if time, or tomorrow to cull and take to an Avian Vet. Peed of… spoke with son and turn round and the grizzle was as right as nine pence! Am ate came over for a youngster… told him to pick from either the two other lofts… Had a look at the grizzle and seems perfect. Walks and flies…. But have separated it of course. No they aren’t paired together or related. I still have the culled one to take for the autopsy at an Avian Vets. Highly recommended for parrots, but says can do pigeons, 56 miles away… between £25 if soon sorted and easy to see, up to a £100 if it is sent away. Mind Retford is £55 so may be cheaper… Since I type this I have had a word with a Vet that Oldyellow recommends on here (Manor court vets) and he – the vet – says it is a mite too long to autopsy that bird now, and feels I should keep it separate and watch it. If it deteriates I will most likely seen it via pigeon Carrier and let him have a looksee and cull if needs be. Again Any ideas?

Just see how it reacts to a mobile phone....

At the regular Saturday morning service, the rabbi announced that he was planning to leave for a larger congregation that would pay him more. There is a hush within the congregation. No one wants him to leave because he is so popular. Fred Shapiro, who owns several car dealerships in Newton and Brookline, stands up and proclaims, "If the rabbi stays, I will provide him with a new Cadillac every year and his wife with a Honda mini-van to transport their children!" The congregation sighs in appreciation and applauds. Saul Cohen, a successful businessman and lawyer, stands and says, "If the rabbi will stay on here, I'll personally double his salary and establish a foundation to guarantee a free college education for his children!" More sighs and loud applause. Estelle Rubin, age 88, stands and announces with a smile, "If the rabbi stays, I will give him sex!" There is total silence. The rabbi, blushing, asks her: "Mrs. Rubin, you're a wonderful and holy lady. Whatever possessed you to say that?" Estelle's 90-year old husband, Abe, is now trying to hide, holding his forehead with the palm of his hand and shaking his head from side to side, while his wife replies: "Well, I just asked my husband how we could help, and he said, 'F$ck him."

As an impatial viewer, for in reality I couldn't give a toss who won it, soI try to keep an open mind and not be bias and enjoy the game.... I think it was a poor game in many ways.... spoilt by a bad, or bias Ref.... I have on occasion when I played, or managed young teams, spoken to the Ref. Have told him I accept bad refereeing as part and patial of the game.... But can't stand or condone 'Cheats'. I think that ref came well into that catorgrathy. As for not awarding that blatant penalty, well that just reinforces my, and no doubt many others' views. Actually I think the chelsea players should be commended for not rising and losing the plot. He was a first class ..... Disgrace! Mind overall I feel United just edged it, but that doesn't make him validated. JMO

Still do Rooster, they are called 'Tipplers' and the Judges go to the lofts and time them. Did see the record - is on the Alberta Classic, but that may just be Canada. I thought it was over 72 -77 hours.... but was wrong apparently, but do fly through the night. However they are way up high...

IB the simple fact is that it has been proven many times regards pigeons and other birds flying in the dark. Of course they will do as you say.... But that simply is because they haven't a goal, nor an urgency to do so. Of course if the deem to they can. Barry used to make sure - from training - that they had to arrive just after dark, and no one is, or has been a more, nor better distance flyer in our Fed. But as you say many will just roost over night.... a driving cock bird on big youngests, or a hen sitting tight on eggs will more than likely fly on at night time. Widowerhood cocks do tend to lose incentives as their ardour lessens, which mostly does after a couple of nights away for example.

A police officer pulls over a speeding car. The officer says, "I clocked you at 80 miles per hour, sir". ...The driver says, "gee, officer, I had it on cruise control at 60; perhaps your radar gun needs calibrating". Not looking up from her knitting the wife says: "Now don't be silly, dear ...you know that this car doesn't have cruise control". As the officer writes out the ticket, the driver looks over at his wife and growls, "can't you please keep your mouth shut for once !! "? The wife smiles demurely and says "well dear you should be grateful the radar detector went off when it did or your speed would have been higher". As the officer makes out the second ticket for the illegal radar detector unit, the man glowers at his wife and says through clenched teeth, "woman, can't you keep your mouth shut?" The officer frowns and says, "and I notice that you're not wearing your seat belt, sir. That's an automatic $75 fine." The driver says, "yeah, well, you see, officer, I had it on, but I took it off when you pulled me over so that I could get my license out of my back pocket". The wife says, "now, dear, you know very well that you didn't have your seat belt on. You never wear your seat belt when you're driving." And as the police officer is writing out the third ticket, the driver turns to his wife and barks, "WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT UP??" The officer looks over at the woman and asks, "does your husband always talk to you this way, ma'am"? "Only when he's been drinking!!"

or any one could tell me how to delete Messenger Messages. I have umpteen Emails telling me so and so wants me to be on 'Messenger' - and others of course. I just delete them as I not interested in the slightest. However I see that the aren't deleted and are in 'Mesenger' etc. I open that and try to delete, and have the usual crap how to apply / respond etc. or cancel. However cancel doesn't happen and now I get the same crap each time. So how do i get shot of these space waster?

Pigeons, like many birds, do fly in the dark, ducks especially.... Kipps had 17 timed in in less that 20 Minutes from Barcelona... after 1 0'clock in the morning. Many train for the distance races just giving the birds barely time to home before dark ... Canada was the World Leaders in this respect. Many times - in war years -they had pigeons flying 200 - 300 miles and homing of course, in the dark. Indeed from 5000 feet released from aircrafts. The pigeons were released in Paper Bags.... they fell clear of the wings etc. and the 'Wind' released them. And again sometimes in the dark. The list is endless...

100% correct! Yes each to their own.... That means they have no right to infringe and force upon others their ways. Each to their own implies a 'Choice' So no argument there.... But that fouled mouth bigot didn't give us a choice... nor a 'Own'. so he is bang out of order...

Yes it does happen from time to time, suprise suprise lol Any way read one and inadvertedly deleted another. so not being ignorant - per usual, but didn't read them sorry. Perhaps they can be resent .... and make me feel important again lol.

Simply put, if I go to a football match and they F and Blind at each other and the Ref etc. FINE. My choice, and can stay away etc. Likewise my kids, I either condone or not condone and allow or don't allow. So have no problem there. BUT when I get uninvited crap spewed into my home then it is offensive. If I was up the pub and some swear like in front of misses then I either accept, move or ask them to tone it down, then make another choice if need be. If I went into friends, or a friend’s house and started swearing I would most likely be ejected. If some one came into my house and started swearing in front of my kids, or grandchildren I’d sling them out! Likewise most of those on here would too. Especially an uninvited guest! Rooney did exactly that. Came into my house and swore in front of my kids…. Never mind he actually earned a little of the £Million a Month he is paid. AND yes I should think he was - like his mates and club and supporters were - well pleased, and so they should be. That doesn’t give him rights to do just as he pleases. Gosh most don’t like, nor accept bad language on these sites, let alone uncalled for and needless swearing in front of my missies and kids in the privacy of my / our home. If I was watching an under 11-football game and someone was swearing at the kids I'd tell them ... did when I refereed and would do so now. It is uncalled for etc. etc. BUT accepted by many now. Hence I have a choice. Rooney didn't give us a choice but invaded my privacy. I would have slapped him, no two ways about that as big and ugly as he is. He deserves a slap. But as he won't get on a decent fined of 3 -4 weeks wages would certainly send out a good and crystal clear message to him and all.

Should have fined him a months wages on top too ... Now that he would care about. Realism is if he was within sound of my kids I'd gave him a few slaps - no twos ways about that. Just who and what does the slimeball think IT is?! He brings discussing verbal into my house, unannounced and certainly uncalled for whether I want it or not. Is bad enough seeing them on the pitch doing it, LET alone going up to and into the camera. I'd banged his teeth out and made him swallow a bar of soap the disgust cretin! I well remember a 'Loft Manager’ fetching a stray of my dad. Gave dad the money of 35p - the going rate, and asked where the dustbin was and before one could fart he'd necked it! My dad got him by the throat and explained rather decisively that he would not kill a bird in front his kids and certainly didn't condone anyone else doing it! I doubt if he could talk for a few weeks, and the swelling stayed a while I bet. Rooney is just a spoilt brat that believes ... and maybe it is so, that he is above the law and anyone else's 'Rights'. My right is not to have the foul mouth git ff'ing and blinding out my television set and my right would have slapped him! It should have had a Warning sign put up and played first on match of the day! the stating of 'uncouth verbal spitting out from obscene brain dead cretin'. Great that he is one heck of a footballer... that is what he gets paid for, not spouting out verbal diarerea to the kids. A poor role model indeed to say the least. So what if he plays for Man U. Cowardly elbowing a player behind his back! Some scum him. As for the apoligy, I doubt very much he even knew of it till he saw it... Yes probably told they would be issuing one! Bet he had a good laugh in the brothel about that one lol

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Saw a post where someone was wanting some stuff regards pigeons: http://www.pigeonsincombat.com/thepigeoneerswebpage.html www.pigeonsincombat.com

Don't Lie to Your Mother...........especially if she is Indian! -- It's the story of an Indian MOM. Mom comes to visit her son Kumar for dinner....... who lives with a girl roommate Sunita. During the course of the meal, his mother couldn't help but notice how pretty Kumar's roommate was. She had long been suspicious of a relationship between the two, and this had only made her more curious. Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between Kumar and his roommate than met the eye. Reading his mom's thoughts, Kumar volunteered, "I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, Sunita and I are just roommates." About a week later, Sunita came to Kumar saying, "Ever since your mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find the silver plate. You don't suppose she took it, do you?" Kumar said, "Well, I doubt it, but I'll email her, just to be sure." So he sat down and wrote : ---------------------- Dear Mother: I'm not saying that you 'did' take the silver plate from my house, I'm not saying that you 'did not' take the silver plate.. But the fact remains that it has been missing ever since you were here for dinner. Love, Kumar ---------------------- Several days later, Kumar received an email from his Mother which read : ---------------------- Dear Son: I'm not saying that you 'do' sleep with Sunita, and I'm not saying that you 'do not' sleep with Sunita. But the fact remains that if she was sleeping in her OWN bed, she would have found the silver plate by now under the pillow... Love, Mom. ---------------------- Lesson of the day: Don't Lie to Your Mother...........especially if she is Indian! --

A friend of mine just started his own business in Afghanistan. He's making land mines that look like prayer mats. It's doing well. He says prophets are going through the roof!

Just read it and was fooled... Bastlamb

What many seem to not realise is that the Chameleon told the 'Watchdog Board' that their recomendations were too strict and would be discarded unles slacken.... Now believe it believe it not, those 'Fiddles' are now LEGAL' and HE wept!