has the route canged ,or liberation sites ?? and i bet the same folk are in charge that have given good races previously Tony ? i am sure something needs to be done ,theses are the same questions being asked by many fanciers accross the UK .North or South road East or West route .the weather is a major factor ,and despite today,s technology ,still cant be predicted that well ,a lot of presumptions and guess-work imo. i think theres one major factor involved ,something that despite talking about many times over ,we can do little about .no critiscm ,just adding to the debate .