thats part the reason i stopped training , especially old birds . an attack early last month saw me lose a yearling cock in the attack , a 3 year old hen , and 6 pairs of eggs chilled . i also kept them in for a week afterwards. during which time my elderly neighbour lost 1 of his only 7 birds to an attack. also the "big doo man" across from me had lost 1 in attack. they are tough times indeed Paul