I agree pigeon men can't agree over most things but one thing everyone seems to do nowadays is breed to many young birds. Maybe we should be more selective with our breeding and stop supplying the hawks with a massive amount of food year in year out. Instead of breeding 120 youngsters because the hawks will take 60 only breed the 60 to start with and cut down their food supply. Remember they can't rear young if the food supply is not there. JMO.