jimmy white

i would say, she is a b bar hen ;D probably feeding at least one yb ;D,,,, but won at the distance ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D brill. ;D just a wee bitty fishy ;D, knocked me right off my ,,,perch ;D ;D ;D

i would certainly agree with gareth,s post,, but ,in my opinion, should read,,,"common sense and finances SHOULD dictate, as, in my opinion there are some members that do not seem to have this attribute,,,, i,e common sense :( and again, in my opinion, these few members, in fact , make matters worse. i would have no hesitation in saying jock3 has more common sense than most, a genuine ,life long pigeon fancier , from a life long pigeon family,, with a genuine interest in improving the sport, and a genuine interest in pigeons,, full stop,,,,,,carry on the good work jock3

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be a little fair,, pic taken 8/8 ,,,august,, the bird is moulting [date on the pic]

please try and stick to the topic in hand,, the original topic is above

yes, i do agree with you albear,, i think maybe ive not explained myself very well, the point i was trying to make was that there are many fanciers, blaming the pigeons to be at fault, when in fact it is the fanciers who are at fault,,,, i,e sending a well bred pigeon , when not nearly right,, losing it , then blaming the pigeon!! this, i think would come under loft management,, i,e for racing but in the breeding aspect, i would say comes under stockmanship,,or stock sense ,, i completely agree with you on this,, just because a bird is bred from two nat winners [we will say] certainly doesnt mean that the progeny will be any good at all for racing, but the offspring will still contain this blood , therefore by selectively breeding may be possible to produce birds to win , but again agreeing with you, there is a big element of trial and error [more often error ] the old adage comes to mind,, racing is silver,, but breeding is gold [easier said than done ]

i must say havent found this to be the case, :-/ ; :-/,i have found both eggs are in fact fertilized by the same cock,, but for some reason , a different cock treads a hen b4 the second egg is fertilized inside the bird,, the new, stronger sperm will be the one that fertilizes the egg ,, maybe im wrong,, , but at least were blethering about the birds better that way [maybe some of the politicians would be better answering ;D]

eggsactly ;D ;D ;D,,, but a very interesting thread

;D ;D ;D ;D

a cow,,sticking its head through the three wired fence ,,for better grass,in the fanciers garden ,,from the field at the back of his garden,,,,,, every time the cows head moved , the wire on the fence went squeek squeek ;D ;D ;D frightened the bird ;D ;D ;D ;D,,,,all true ;D

a hawk,," bigger than a golden eagle" , frightened the bird [that chap was also a fishing man ;D ;D ;D]

helicopter,,flying a foot above the loft ;D ;D ;D

people are as much entitled to keep their cat,, as any fancier is keeping their pigeons,, but by using your head, and not advising illegal means on the forum,,, will take any heat from fanciers, who may just get the blame, for nothing , p,m,s can a big help..in advising

think you might thave something here blaz :-/ :-/ :-/ with due respect to hotrod, ive had a cock on the bull system,,, left the hen after laying first egg,then leaving on its own,,, both fertilizied?? in fact have 4 eggs from the same cock under foster parents,now,,, look to be full, :) the plot thickens ;D ;D ;D,,, im more confused now than i was in the first post :-/ :-/ :-/ [allthough thats not very hard ;D]

ive seen them advertised in the" cage and aviary"

wel done albear, and to you nagid,, two of many that have their hearts in the right place, best way to go :)

best of luck moe o,conner, hope you find what your looking for,,

we have members all over the world,,this is a world wide forum "pigeon basics" ,, just wish some members would remember that

if they get the chance to ;D ;D ;D in my opinion, the old adage" the basket tells",, allthough right,,, to a certain extent only,,,,can sometimes be mis-leading, ,, it dismays me when i see fanciers , blaming their pigeons , when , in fact it could be them!!! that is at fault,..., manegement, in my opinion, goes a long way, and knowing when to put the bird in the basket, is probably more to the point,,

i give all my money to the" sick animals",,,,,,, ,,,,,,,only, i dont know their sick, when i back them ;D ;D ;D

try popping a wheatgerm capsule down them,,,or mix wheatgerm in there food might just help, selenium and zinc may help, but sometimes when the weather gets warmer, nature might just take its course

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yes a good start kwango,,, i would re-iterate the above post,,,,, chin up now that you have something to go on, next week could just be the one ,, still very early for racing yet,,good luck

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