jimmy white

allthough very interesting indeed, i have in fact just been discussing fanciers going by the book,, so to speak , as theres many different veiws on this subject , it may well be worth trying things and experimenting on things that work,,or dont work ,, when i see " pigeons dont sweat" this is true,,,, but like dogs , they can" sweat" in a different ways ,,,, we allways seem to think on pigeons, in line with humans,, this, to me is completely wrong , they see different, smell defferent , they fly, their metabolism is different ,, in fact the are just completely different , we seem to think they can only loose valuable minerals in their droppings etc, but it must be remembered that a pigeon breathes completely different than us,, we can dehydrate by sweating and by panting, as a pigeon cant sweat but it can breath [hopefully ] and it must be remembered that a pigeons bones are hollow , and in fact can breath through its bones also , so a pigeon, in my opinion can deheydrate in many ways that is so different from humans , therefore the need to replace these body mineral salts are needed for the abnormal work load we place on a mere 16 ounces bunch of feathers,, only my opinion, and my own obsevation, they do recover quicker from a hard race by giving electrolytes [of some kind, maybe your own tried and tested kind ]

i think owen is probably more to the point,, but if you cant help the trees being there, and cant take anymore down, these yb,s will soon get used to things , most yb,s on their first flights can easily be made very nervious , and can be common for them to stay out,, but if getting no feeding anywhere , are usualy back , sometimes after days , when their settled a little , let them out a little peckish and scatter some red band or kibbled p nuts [takes a time to fill them], but only a handfull ,, then get them in, and feed them,, it wont be long b4 they cotton on,, [mine were frightened by a hawk attack,, thought i had lost them all , but all back in the next few days , the last one 5 days out] all settled now,, but took a bit of doing,, [nails bitten to the elbows ] good luck

i wouldnt hesitate in giving electro-lytes [or re-heydration salts] after any race. i have found by doing this, they do seem to recover quicker [but as all things with pigeons,,in moderation ]

;D ;D ;D too many jimmy,s ;D ;D ;D ive seen many distance fliers win feeding hopper fed tic beans , they dont eat so much and dont get fat,, especialy hopper fed,, but all roads can lead to rome ;D, i have in the past fed tic beans like this, but added a tit-bit now and again, then maize nearer the race

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with a little trapping mix,and a little maize ,nearer the race, you might just get a surprize ,, a good one i hope best of luck ,,,,,,,,will be looking at this space ;D

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certainly glad that the paramyxo is ruled out by the vet, but cannot understand why this vet didnt didnt check for paratyphoid or indeed make more checks, for any other underlying problem,, my thoughts are that most ordinary vets dont know enough about pigeons , in this case i would suggest a top specialist avian vet , maybe just one thing worth mentioning, that a pigeon that has recovered from paramyxo, can be left with a permanent nerve damage and dis-figurement :-/

if this is w,hood cocks would go along with sapper, and would maybe add , if cocks are not trained , they will fly this distance around the loft , and would enjoy doing it, without the stress of travelling, basketing etc,, they can be tossed when needed , if needed if natural maybe

i completely agree, great to read this, a marvelous venture

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in my opinion e/hood cocks should fly wed, thurs, friday,[ providing theve not been overtrained] one hour am and pm,,, and enjoy it again only my opinion , wouldnt measure grub [but would watch what i fed , and when i was feeding it] i,e different distances]

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the anthony no;an bone marow trust ,, got this

thanks will lib in morning ,, if still here will phone

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i wouldnt break pigeons down as such, , i would much rather [depending on the type of race] feed some light seeds, with brewers yeast [a little kibbled peanuts if theve taken much out of themselves] , then a full normal feed later that evening , water being the main thing on arrival

pigeons will fly to most anything they find confidence and feel secure in,, as a lad i flew a pair of pigeons to an orange box at the back of the coal cellar,,,and got a prize ticket if i had that loft ,in this thread at that time i would have been as proud as punch, i think the above poster is right , and may mean keith mott , who raced successfully to single boxes, as he has p. f, l, many youngsters have to start off somehow , this would be an ideal start for some youngster, with just a few pigeons, then graduating from there ,if keen enough

rats will kill pigeons , usually eating the grain from their crop, once they have did this once, they will certainly do it again, their very crafty for traps , but i have found that chocolate is one of the best baits, and often gets the better of them. rats and mice are very bad for spreading paratyphoid [salmonella] ive kept ferrets for many years, very secure , from the loft, off course, but often run them under the loft and surrounds, i find this does tend to keep the problem of rats at bay, if the ferret corners a rat , it will kill it in seconds ,as shown on pic below

a galley pot of grit or minerals etc,, allthough, needed by the birds, can be a haven for the spread of cocci etc, if left to go dirty or damp,, far better just putting enough in the pots for one day ,only my opinion