That was the reason for me asking the question i did Peter We started fresh in 2014 with yb's at the new place after the fire apart from 4 or 5 broken doos and we have started to race all the doos hard sending them all most weeks as we didnae really have any to try at the national races. The thing is i think we can be to soft on them at times this year we put them all on darkness so we could get them to the last fed race at 210 mls i would rather take whats left at the end of the old bird and yb seasons that have been well tested that a loft full of doos that have only went 100mls and i have tried the 100mls with yb's myself yes the good ones will still be good ones but we try to give them all the experience we can Alan