You must know the brother Doug grieve who also went on to breed 2nd open Rennes for Andrew Bertram 7th open for Eric dishington Nantes and also Donald's winner , Doug was and is a very underestimated pigeon man who also raced the superstar who won 27 ( I think ) races from 60 mls / 500 mls topping the fed when he should'nt have a great pigeon that never even got a write up ( I think) . But there are hundreds that we never hear of .