Excuse ma ignorance but i never knew there was another John on the thread, only know a few REAL names on here.........Your also right, G Rankin & Son Gareth timed Westbound in an almost gale force wind, and that wasn't yesterday, so they've faced every type of element over the years. I think the pioneers of distance racing into Scotland, must have suffered similarly in those days, as we are now, evolution if you like, and we're only a part of the overall process, the question is how far will we send them and how many can actually do it? not many from 650+ i'd say. again jmo.