I judge the pigeon long before i read about it in a pedigree, if the bird suits my hand and i think it will fit into my team i will look at the pedigree, but this will not influence me to pay more or less for it, my mind is already made up whether i want it or not and how much i am prepared to pay for it. As you's will know, there is far more rubbish comes out of GOOD birds than quality ones do, same with all livestock, its no feasible the good will always produce good, it just doesn't happen.